Spirit Airlines Training
02-26-2021, 04:55 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
I wouldn’t call it a myth. The two guys who washed out of our class were loaners. I agree some can be alone and study and be prepared. I would venture to say most benefit from a “group” study session. Group can be defined as 3/4/5/10 people whatever works for you.
Seems most classes had study groups.
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really?
No rent-to-own options?
02-26-2021, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fifi
“Loaners”........
really?
No rent-to-own options?
really?
No rent-to-own options?
Forgot about the grammar police.
Apple loves to mess with me, got to love the autocorrect option on these phones.
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02-26-2021, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
Not a Spirit pilot, but I have done lots of airline training ranging from old school “build the airplane” weed out regional days, to gentle hand holding major airline training.
The whole “group study” being required for success is a myth. Some people need to be spoon fed by their peers, but it sure isn’t necessary if you have good study habits and you practice flows with your sim partner. Personally, I find group study a tremendous waste of time and don’t ever do it (group beers/dinners are another matter!)
Just to emphasize though, practicing flows/call outs/checklists with your sim partner is incredibly important.
The whole “group study” being required for success is a myth. Some people need to be spoon fed by their peers, but it sure isn’t necessary if you have good study habits and you practice flows with your sim partner. Personally, I find group study a tremendous waste of time and don’t ever do it (group beers/dinners are another matter!)
Just to emphasize though, practicing flows/call outs/checklists with your sim partner is incredibly important.
02-26-2021, 05:05 AM
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Everyone studies differently. Show up prepared and understand that Spirit doesn’t spoon feed you like regional training departments. I would usually self study for a couple hours then meet up with people and drink beer and “group study” by the pool.
If you are so stressed you can’t relax or have a couple beers with your classmates everyday then you’re going to burn yourself out.
If you are so stressed you can’t relax or have a couple beers with your classmates everyday then you’re going to burn yourself out.
02-26-2021, 05:26 AM
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Here is my post, from awhile back, with a full breakdown of training and what to expect from when I went in 2019.
The Complete New Hire Guide to Spirit Training.
Hey everyone. We are going to be hiring a lot only folks and everyone always ask the question - what is training like? So I wanted to create this thread and share my newhire experience as comprehensively as I possibly can to help eleviate your stress before getting here.
This was my third 121 airline training program and I don’t care what anyone says, it really wasn’t that hard or this crazy horror story that a lot seem to have. Granted things have changed a bit, for the better, it seems than when my buddy went through 1.5 years ago (2016-17)
Here we go!
Day 1 - Meet 8am at Corp HQ. A van picks you up from the hotel. You get your iPads, set up some apps and passwords. Various big wigs (depending on the day/week) stop by and talk with you. You’ll get a bit of Kool-Aid - the standard day 1 anywhere. They cater lunch which is nice. You will get your IDs by the end of the day. The van picks you up 4-430. It’s about a half hour ride from your hotel.
Day 2 - This starts Basic Indoc/General Subjects (aka death by Power Point). Meet at the Spirit Training Center 8am - 5pm. You get an hour lunch. There is a little cafe at the FBO next door, but not much else around. You can bring food and keep it in the break room as it has fridges and a microwave. There are also snacks/drinks you can purchase. There are THREE Tests/Assessments during Indoc. You will do your first of these three today. It is ridiculously easy if you have your basic limitations memorized, memory items and flows down as you are told.
It is 20-25 questions. All multiple choice. There are 10 or so limitations then the rest asking you about flows. Example - what comes after checking the Landing Gear Handle Down on the “Preliminary Mandatory Flow”? It is NOT hard. Trust me.
Day 3-5 are a repeat of Day 2. You will have your 2nd of your 3 tests on Friday Day 5. It’s nearly the EXACT SAME test. You might get asked 5-6 questions you weren’t asked on the first one. Again NOT difficult.
Enjoy your weekend off.
Days 6-10 - You will have either of these two scenarios depending on class size. You will either come in at 7am to 11am and do your CPT then have an hour lunch, and after lunch you spend the rest of the afternoon finishing Indoc/General Subjects from 12-4pm. The other scenario is you do Indoc/GS in the morning, have lunch, then do your CPT in the afternoon.
The CPT is done with the paper tiger, but with a MCDU/FMS trainer on a computer. You fly pretend flights from FLL to MCO and TPA. You practice walking in to a cold dark airplane and doing your flows and DIFSRIPP (acronym for programming the box). If you have your flows down you can do the entire lesson (both seats - once as PF and once as PM) in 2 hours when it calls for 4.
By the last day, Day 10, you have what is called a GATE Check. Basically showing that you can do all your flows and briefings, program the Box and need very little coaching.
Last, but not least, you have the 3rd test. It is exactly like the other 2, but a bit more questions. This is 50 questions and has maybe 10-12 basic systems type questions. Nothing too hard.
This concludes Week 2. Enjoy your weekend.
An important note about Indoc/GS. Absolutely NONE of any of what’s covered is tested on. The only 3 tests are the ones that I described above. Moral of the story is, these Power Points are all FAA Check the box. You DO NOT have to stress out or waste any ounce of time on these.
The only Power Point you should spend some time jotting down notes on, is the one that covers the release and TLR paperwork. Everything else like Weather, Aerodynamics etc is all FAA mandated crap.
I repeat. Nothing in all of Indoc is going to be on a test. Anywhere. I can’t say it enough. Don’t waste time worrying about this!
Day 11 - Will be emergency training done at a local Maritime academy pool. You get into the lift raft and jackets and mess around. Play with some fire extinguishers It’s fun. You will also do EET (Extended Envelope Training) and that involves listening to someone explain a ridiculously crazy Power Point with aerodynamic formulas and theory. You will do EET in the Sim as part of your training.
Days 12 thru 19 are CSIs or basically Systems Training. You do this while you do flights, just like you were doing in CPTs. This time, however, your flights are done in the Touch screen trainers so when you do your flows you are manipulating (sorta) real switches and knobs. You’ll have an actual side stick and PFD screen and can actually fly.
You will do the flights from a cold dark airplane to a city and back. Along the way (enroute) you will have system failures and they will teach you some systems type stuff.
The CSI Sim portion is 4 hours, but you meet 1.5 prior to brief. During the brief you will talk about whatever system is covered that day in a one on one lecture type format. So, while people claim you never have any real systems training here, you do. Its just different than doing it Power Point style in Ground School.
You have 8 CSI sessions. Just like the last day of CPT, the last day of CSI your expected to operate the flight gate to gate, both seats and do your flows and call outs without needing any assistance.
After your CSIs you’ll have a couple days off to get ready for the oral.
Day 20 - Type Oral
This is the oral guys.
Limitations
Memory Items
Proficiency Items
Fault Lights/Switches on the Upper Panel
If you come and know the Limitations and Memory Items down cold and don’t miss any, you’ve passed your oral.
The only scenario I can see is if you straight up don’t know a single Fault light or switch. The lights are not hard to memorize. Once your going through the lights they may ask you a bit more in depth questions. They know you have never flown this plane and are basically asking you to get your wheels turning and, ultimately, teach you stuff. The oral pass rate is 96% as of March data.
You will have anywhere from 2-4 days off after the oral then starts FTDs.
Day 21-24 - FTDs (Flight Training Device) This is just like CPTs and CSIs. You start from a cold dark airplane, do your flows, program the box push back, taxi takeoff and land. Except instead of a touch screen your in an actual sim (with all the switches). It’s a sim that doesn’t move. Enroute you’ll deal with ECAMs and other emergencies. A ton of this stuff is FAA check the box. You won’t be doing too much Bs like this on your type ride so just nod and smile and play the game.
After FTDs, just like the oral, anywhere from 2-4 days off. I had 4 off.
Days 25-29 are your 5 Full Motion Simulator events/training. After being in the FTD (which is a sim that doesn’t move) you will have a pretty good idea and won’t be too overwhelmed. Like all sims it doesn’t fly much like the real airplane, but don’t let it bother you.
Day 30 is your Type Ride or PC (if already typed). It’s probably not your first airline type ride so you know what to expect. Just like the oral the success rate is 93%. I can tell you with certainty these guys are fair. When my partner did their ride the guy was very fair, I’ll leave it at that.
Days 31 and 32. You do your EET sim (do stalls and some other fun maneuvers) then your standard FAA required LOFT. It was a flight from Vegas to San Diego and back. All normal to SAN with a small failure on the way back to LAS.
I had 8 days off before starting IOE.
That is training. Full disclosure I already had a Bus Type coming in, but truly, this was nowhere close to the horror story so many talk about. My non typed class mates are in agreement.
In the past, I think things were definitely a bit worse, but the format, as of now, really isn’t bad.
Last word:
Just like your welcome letter will state, show up with Limitations, Memory Items and Flows (both Captain and FO) down cold when you arrive Day 1 and you will have no problems. Trust me.
There are only 64 limitations and 5 or so Memory Items. They aren’t hard to get memorized.
Good luck everyone! PM if you have any other questions. You will all do just fine.
The Complete New Hire Guide to Spirit Training.
Hey everyone. We are going to be hiring a lot only folks and everyone always ask the question - what is training like? So I wanted to create this thread and share my newhire experience as comprehensively as I possibly can to help eleviate your stress before getting here.
This was my third 121 airline training program and I don’t care what anyone says, it really wasn’t that hard or this crazy horror story that a lot seem to have. Granted things have changed a bit, for the better, it seems than when my buddy went through 1.5 years ago (2016-17)
Here we go!
Day 1 - Meet 8am at Corp HQ. A van picks you up from the hotel. You get your iPads, set up some apps and passwords. Various big wigs (depending on the day/week) stop by and talk with you. You’ll get a bit of Kool-Aid - the standard day 1 anywhere. They cater lunch which is nice. You will get your IDs by the end of the day. The van picks you up 4-430. It’s about a half hour ride from your hotel.
Day 2 - This starts Basic Indoc/General Subjects (aka death by Power Point). Meet at the Spirit Training Center 8am - 5pm. You get an hour lunch. There is a little cafe at the FBO next door, but not much else around. You can bring food and keep it in the break room as it has fridges and a microwave. There are also snacks/drinks you can purchase. There are THREE Tests/Assessments during Indoc. You will do your first of these three today. It is ridiculously easy if you have your basic limitations memorized, memory items and flows down as you are told.
It is 20-25 questions. All multiple choice. There are 10 or so limitations then the rest asking you about flows. Example - what comes after checking the Landing Gear Handle Down on the “Preliminary Mandatory Flow”? It is NOT hard. Trust me.
Day 3-5 are a repeat of Day 2. You will have your 2nd of your 3 tests on Friday Day 5. It’s nearly the EXACT SAME test. You might get asked 5-6 questions you weren’t asked on the first one. Again NOT difficult.
Enjoy your weekend off.
Days 6-10 - You will have either of these two scenarios depending on class size. You will either come in at 7am to 11am and do your CPT then have an hour lunch, and after lunch you spend the rest of the afternoon finishing Indoc/General Subjects from 12-4pm. The other scenario is you do Indoc/GS in the morning, have lunch, then do your CPT in the afternoon.
The CPT is done with the paper tiger, but with a MCDU/FMS trainer on a computer. You fly pretend flights from FLL to MCO and TPA. You practice walking in to a cold dark airplane and doing your flows and DIFSRIPP (acronym for programming the box). If you have your flows down you can do the entire lesson (both seats - once as PF and once as PM) in 2 hours when it calls for 4.
By the last day, Day 10, you have what is called a GATE Check. Basically showing that you can do all your flows and briefings, program the Box and need very little coaching.
Last, but not least, you have the 3rd test. It is exactly like the other 2, but a bit more questions. This is 50 questions and has maybe 10-12 basic systems type questions. Nothing too hard.
This concludes Week 2. Enjoy your weekend.
An important note about Indoc/GS. Absolutely NONE of any of what’s covered is tested on. The only 3 tests are the ones that I described above. Moral of the story is, these Power Points are all FAA Check the box. You DO NOT have to stress out or waste any ounce of time on these.
The only Power Point you should spend some time jotting down notes on, is the one that covers the release and TLR paperwork. Everything else like Weather, Aerodynamics etc is all FAA mandated crap.
I repeat. Nothing in all of Indoc is going to be on a test. Anywhere. I can’t say it enough. Don’t waste time worrying about this!
Day 11 - Will be emergency training done at a local Maritime academy pool. You get into the lift raft and jackets and mess around. Play with some fire extinguishers It’s fun. You will also do EET (Extended Envelope Training) and that involves listening to someone explain a ridiculously crazy Power Point with aerodynamic formulas and theory. You will do EET in the Sim as part of your training.
Days 12 thru 19 are CSIs or basically Systems Training. You do this while you do flights, just like you were doing in CPTs. This time, however, your flights are done in the Touch screen trainers so when you do your flows you are manipulating (sorta) real switches and knobs. You’ll have an actual side stick and PFD screen and can actually fly.
You will do the flights from a cold dark airplane to a city and back. Along the way (enroute) you will have system failures and they will teach you some systems type stuff.
The CSI Sim portion is 4 hours, but you meet 1.5 prior to brief. During the brief you will talk about whatever system is covered that day in a one on one lecture type format. So, while people claim you never have any real systems training here, you do. Its just different than doing it Power Point style in Ground School.
You have 8 CSI sessions. Just like the last day of CPT, the last day of CSI your expected to operate the flight gate to gate, both seats and do your flows and call outs without needing any assistance.
After your CSIs you’ll have a couple days off to get ready for the oral.
Day 20 - Type Oral
This is the oral guys.
Limitations
Memory Items
Proficiency Items
Fault Lights/Switches on the Upper Panel
If you come and know the Limitations and Memory Items down cold and don’t miss any, you’ve passed your oral.
The only scenario I can see is if you straight up don’t know a single Fault light or switch. The lights are not hard to memorize. Once your going through the lights they may ask you a bit more in depth questions. They know you have never flown this plane and are basically asking you to get your wheels turning and, ultimately, teach you stuff. The oral pass rate is 96% as of March data.
You will have anywhere from 2-4 days off after the oral then starts FTDs.
Day 21-24 - FTDs (Flight Training Device) This is just like CPTs and CSIs. You start from a cold dark airplane, do your flows, program the box push back, taxi takeoff and land. Except instead of a touch screen your in an actual sim (with all the switches). It’s a sim that doesn’t move. Enroute you’ll deal with ECAMs and other emergencies. A ton of this stuff is FAA check the box. You won’t be doing too much Bs like this on your type ride so just nod and smile and play the game.
After FTDs, just like the oral, anywhere from 2-4 days off. I had 4 off.
Days 25-29 are your 5 Full Motion Simulator events/training. After being in the FTD (which is a sim that doesn’t move) you will have a pretty good idea and won’t be too overwhelmed. Like all sims it doesn’t fly much like the real airplane, but don’t let it bother you.
Day 30 is your Type Ride or PC (if already typed). It’s probably not your first airline type ride so you know what to expect. Just like the oral the success rate is 93%. I can tell you with certainty these guys are fair. When my partner did their ride the guy was very fair, I’ll leave it at that.
Days 31 and 32. You do your EET sim (do stalls and some other fun maneuvers) then your standard FAA required LOFT. It was a flight from Vegas to San Diego and back. All normal to SAN with a small failure on the way back to LAS.
I had 8 days off before starting IOE.
That is training. Full disclosure I already had a Bus Type coming in, but truly, this was nowhere close to the horror story so many talk about. My non typed class mates are in agreement.
In the past, I think things were definitely a bit worse, but the format, as of now, really isn’t bad.
Last word:
Just like your welcome letter will state, show up with Limitations, Memory Items and Flows (both Captain and FO) down cold when you arrive Day 1 and you will have no problems. Trust me.
There are only 64 limitations and 5 or so Memory Items. They aren’t hard to get memorized.
Good luck everyone! PM if you have any other questions. You will all do just fine.
02-26-2021, 05:56 AM
#16
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IMHO you can succeed by studying alone or in a group. If you show up with the flows/limitations/memory items down cold, the rest is an absolute breeze and you can pass studying 60-90 minutes a day at the hotel. The only people I saw struggle were the 50+ year olds who couldn’t get over “well my last airline did this...” or “why does it matter if I say ‘check’, this is ridiculous”
02-26-2021, 06:03 AM
#17
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Posts: 462
Just for clarification, when you guys say limitations, does that include the “proficiency items” also?
Like the procedure for wind shear or stall warning at lift off, etc...
Trying to get everything committed to memory, but have limited bandwidth ha!! Don’t want to try and memorize something that doesn’t need to be just yet.
Like the procedure for wind shear or stall warning at lift off, etc...
Trying to get everything committed to memory, but have limited bandwidth ha!! Don’t want to try and memorize something that doesn’t need to be just yet.
02-26-2021, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by badtransam97
Just for clarification, when you guys say limitations, does that include the “proficiency items” also?
Like the procedure for wind shear or stall warning at lift off, etc...
Trying to get everything committed to memory, but have limited bandwidth ha!! Don’t want to try and memorize something that doesn’t need to be just yet.
Like the procedure for wind shear or stall warning at lift off, etc...
Trying to get everything committed to memory, but have limited bandwidth ha!! Don’t want to try and memorize something that doesn’t need to be just yet.
Don't do any CBTs.
02-26-2021, 07:38 AM
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I found that keeping a healthy mind the whole way through was much better conducive to studying than any group study, which wasn't too bad either. Proper nutrition, limited sugar, allowing youself time to exercise even if its only for 15 minutes, maybe a nootropic or 2 if you're in to that kind of thing, not taking too much advantage of the free alcohol and getting good quality sleep all go a long way towards success. I feel like this factor is often overlooked when discussing ways to get through training.
A long day in the classroom can be quite mentally fatiguing and makes you not want to do anything for the rest of the night. All I needed was a quick sprint on the treadmill to reset my brain juices and then easily got another few hours of quality study in every night.
Also don't go partying and gambling in the casino every night. The company tends to find these things out.
A long day in the classroom can be quite mentally fatiguing and makes you not want to do anything for the rest of the night. All I needed was a quick sprint on the treadmill to reset my brain juices and then easily got another few hours of quality study in every night.
Also don't go partying and gambling in the casino every night. The company tends to find these things out.
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