What does compound interest have to do with a pay scale? Zip. You’re not nearly as clever as you think you are.
The condescension doesn’t help your case either.

Advocating for captains starting in the 2’s is defeatist and way off the mark.

Do the math…

You and me both brother. That would be pretty terrible. Buuuut considering about 25% of the pilot group is on “first yer per”, that’s a pretty large group of people to say **** off to whose biggest concern is a pay raise. But good on you dude. Must definitely be the 12 yer cerptain per that’s causing the attrition problem.

There’s some level of personal responsibility and due diligence that should be expected.

​​​​​​​We are doing the math. And responding to you. Mainly so others learn to ignore your ideas, but perhaps so you can reconsider yours.

my post was not (and never should be) taken as an actual discussion marker or a researched response. My post was just to antagonize one particular poster who dominates and twists every thread and every topic with his crusade on first year pay and insults/attacks anyone who has other solutions.

i also agree first year pay is dog ****. I think our whole scale is dog ****. I am also doing my part to remedy this (which does not include using apc as a serious avenue for fixation)

:D

couldnt agree more. An online forum would be a silly place to discuss any actual negotiation tactics. But believe it or not, your arguments are the exact same I hear all the time in the cockpit, strangely enough more often from junior captains. When specifically addressing the attrition problem, apparently they think year 1-5 guys are leaving because 12 year CA pay just isn’t enough. The kicker is that they will say (regarding raising 1st year pay) that it’s the company’s responsibility to attract people and 1st year pay isn’t the unions problem, but when the simple solution is presented, you’d think someone just came in and shot your dog or something the way you react.

Agree with the last. Somehow it’s quite acceptable for people who have reached a point of sufficient financial stability that their prosperity is assured to say it’s quite acceptable to screw over the newbies (after all, I went through it when I was a newbie and I survived it) but I can well imagine what the cockpit atmosphere would be like the rest of the flight if one of those newbies opined that since there was no serious attrition of senior CAs all future contract improvements should be targeted towards the FOs and junior (non line holder) CAs where the attrition is actually occurring.

A union should look out for EVERYONE it represents, not depending on management to take care of anyone. You know, union - as in ‘unity’? Not ‘screw the junior people as long as I get mine.’

When is the union going to come out with some information about the negotiations? Any rumors?

do you think I’m making an argument? Because I’m sure I’m not.

come. Go. Upgrade. Downgrade. I don’t care. People are going to do what they are going to do.

my only argument(s) are this

it’s not getting solved on apc