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-   -   NK/F9 Merger Announced (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/spirit/136597-nk-f9-merger-announced.html)

nene 03-01-2022 09:37 AM
Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3376651)
Word is that the names Spirit and Frontier will die...they want a fresh start.

”Harmony Air Lines” (like how Delta does it) will be the new name.

it will be a Metallic soft pink color.
As long as they can incorporate "wings" into the call sign.....Harmony wings 305, cleared to ......heaven!

IamEssential 03-01-2022 11:22 AM
Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3380965)
Anyone have a copy of F9's seniority list or know where that might be? Curious to see the DOH picture on their side.
Already been widely distributed in chat groups. Just ask the next guy you fly with.

PleaseComplete 03-01-2022 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3380965)
Anyone have a copy of F9's seniority list or know where that might be? Curious to see the DOH picture on their side.
Straight DOH integration results in absolute minimal percentage change in relative seniority.

GWY320 03-01-2022 02:49 PM
Depends where you sit on the list. Some Spirit guys lose 3-5% and Frontier gains 3-5%. Seems to even out further down the list.

sioux8ships 03-01-2022 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by GWY320 (Post 3381157)
Depends where you sit on the list. Some Spirit guys lose 3-5% and Frontier gains 3-5%. Seems to even out further down the list.
5% decrease for this guy with DOH.

GreenFolder 03-01-2022 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 3381148)
Straight DOH integration results in absolute minimal percentage change in relative seniority.
Wouldn’t a relative seniority integration result in the “absolute minimal percentage change in relative seniority“?

CincoDeMayo 03-01-2022 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by GreenFolder (Post 3381210)
Wouldn’t a relative seniority integration result in the “absolute minimal percentage change in relative seniority“?
Yes. Status Category has been the popular integration method used in many of the recent “larger” arbitrated mergers. Status and Category is also 1 of the 3 criteria to be considered in the ALPA merger policy.

Because NK and F9 both fly the same category aircraft, I would bet we would see a status category integration, which would look a lot like relative seniority since we all fly the same category aircraft.

Spear it 03-01-2022 07:09 PM
Originally Posted by GreenFolder (Post 3381210)
Wouldn’t a relative seniority integration result in the “absolute minimal percentage change in relative seniority“?

😂 this is my favorite post of this thread. Truth.

CincoDeMayo 03-01-2022 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by Spear it (Post 3381290)
😂 this is my favorite post of this thread. Truth.
The problem is guys get too wrapped around DOH. I agree though, relative seniority helps maintain the quality of life aspect that seniority lists provide, this isnt affecting anyones longevity.

But...

We all know it won't be this simple.

Tranquility 03-01-2022 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3381292)
The problem is guys get too wrapped around DOH. I agree though, relative seniority helps maintain the quality of life aspect that seniority lists provide, this isnt affecting anyones longevity.

But...

We all know it won't be this simple.
You speak truth.

If we merge with relative seniority, I lose practically nothing. We merge with DOH, I lose just over 2% relatively. Not bad, but worse than pure relative. I’m more concerned with the JCBA than the SLI to be honest. We Spirit pilots have a lot more to lose with a bad JCBA than a straight DOH integration….
Keep focused!


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