Upgrade time
05-13-2022 | 07:36 AM
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Unfortunately the question is "upgrade time for a newhire" not "what longevity guys are upgrading currently."
We have a very likely seniority list integration coming, a possible recession, and reducing flights as we speak. Spirit is no longer the place with a fast upgrade, that is a fact.
We have a very likely seniority list integration coming, a possible recession, and reducing flights as we speak. Spirit is no longer the place with a fast upgrade, that is a fact.
Who knows what’s going to happen in this economic $hit storm we’re in?
05-13-2022 | 10:43 AM
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Unfortunately the question is "upgrade time for a newhire" not "what longevity guys are upgrading currently."
We have a very likely seniority list integration coming, a possible recession, and reducing flights as we speak. Spirit is no longer the place with a fast upgrade, that is a fact.
We have a very likely seniority list integration coming, a possible recession, and reducing flights as we speak. Spirit is no longer the place with a fast upgrade, that is a fact.
Even if we keep the fast upgrade, it’s because our reserve is “industry leading” (if you are a manager).
05-13-2022 | 05:17 PM
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I (FO) have had at least one master list (junior man) call every day this week. Meanwhile, every captain I talk to says they haven't been called for a premium trip in months, sometimes years.
Its not looking good for upgrades.
Its not looking good for upgrades.
05-14-2022 | 05:32 AM
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This 100%. I have multiple calls every day and one time this week, it was a 3 min voice message listing all the flights they had open for the x list. I couldn't believe it. They can preach all they want that we dont have an attrition/hiring problem but at least in bases that dont sit on a coastline, they are understaffed FO side.
05-14-2022 | 11:27 AM
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I ask for upgrade time and all I read is people talking about a recession that doesn’t exist and complains about new airplanes lol. Am I the only one that knows about 20.000 mandatory retirements coming up? Lol
05-14-2022 | 11:45 AM
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In regards to your question it’s really hard to pin down right now as we have all but stopped upgrades for the last year. When you add in merger issues, a displacement bid that happened but then reverted, a questionable economy etc it makes it tough.
Best educated guess is we will see upgrades north of 5 years this summer. Will that improve or get worse just has too many variables right now.
05-14-2022 | 12:20 PM
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We are only upgrading 10 a month. Jr captain is somewhere around summer 2018 thereabouts. Not many retirements here.
05-14-2022 | 12:28 PM
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20,000 retirements at other airlines means our upgrade time will go up into infinity.
Also, I wish I could see the look on your face in the near future when you realize your in a recession.
05-14-2022 | 12:32 PM
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Based on current retirement/attrition/merger I forecast 10 years.
05-14-2022 | 12:57 PM
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How does 20,000 retirements at other airlines translate into upgrade time up into infinity at Spirit? Can you explain that non sense statement Mike?
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