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cantflylist 05-15-2022 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Biscoff (Post 3422618)
Hey guys Michael Burry is in the chat!
How does 20,000 retirements at other airlines translate into upgrade time up into infinity at Spirit? Can you explain that non sense statement Mike?

I'm not Mike, but let me try. Retirements at Big 5 have led to them calling applicants at a breakneck pace. Also Big 5 upgrades are pretty much instantaneous (less than 2 yrs) so why would anyone go anywhere else? Those that can't get the call today, will get it within the next couple years. Applicants are from the ULCCs and regionals. So if ULCC/regionals can't keep their pilots, let alone grow their flight crew staff - upgrades will evaporate.

That is really it. Big 5 - qualified ATPs get the call, lightning fast upgrades guaranteed by the mandatory retirements, highest pay rates & the siren call of WB pay rates. Big 5 are the place to be applying. If applying to the ULCC/regionals - it is absolutely a stepping stone to the Big 5. Even SWA/JB/Alaska are seeing attrition.

Most should be seeng this. If you are not, then enjoy flying for "not Big 5"

CLE to IAH 05-15-2022 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3422775)
Dude it’s ok, we don’t all have to want to work at AA. Be gone and be happy. I’m generally happy here, make good money and fly with great crews.

No regrets, hope the best for you.

well that will get rid of her. She doesn’t want niceties. It ruins the troll effort.

Biscoff 05-15-2022 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by cantflylist (Post 3423205)
I'm not Mike, but let me try. Retirements at Big 5 have led to them calling applicants at a breakneck pace. Also Big 5 upgrades are pretty much instantaneous (less than 2 yrs) so why would anyone go anywhere else? Those that can't get the call today, will get it within the next couple years. Applicants are from the ULCCs and regionals. So if ULCC/regionals can't

That is really it. Big 5 - qualified ATPs get the call, lightning fast upgrades guaranteed by the mandatory retirements, highest pay rates & the siren call of WB pay rates. Big 5 are the place to be applying. If applying to the ULCC/regionals - it is absolutely a stepping stone to the Big 5. Even SWA/JB/Alaska are seeing attrition.

Most should be seeng this. If you are not, then enjoy flying for "not Big 5"

Within two years? I don’t know if you know but your friend Mike just said we are in an unprecedented huge recession, he heard it on cnbc. Be content if you still have a job 6 months from now.
Anyway… 6-7-8 year upgrade is the answer I was looking for, thank you all for the non sense and uneducated responses.Wasn’t expecting less from this forum. Love you all.Mike, Keep working on your resume, I’m sure you’ll get the call from Delta as soon as the economy recovers. Happy commutes to NYC.

Jdub2 05-15-2022 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Biscoff (Post 3423338)
Within two years? I don’t know if you know but your friend Mike just said we are in an unprecedented huge recession, he heard it on cnbc. Be content if you still have a job 6 months from now.
Anyway… 6-7-8 year upgrade is the answer I was looking for, thank you all for the non sense and uneducated responses.Wasn’t expecting less from this forum. Love you all.Mike, Keep working on your resume, I’m sure you’ll get the call from Delta as soon as the economy recovers. Happy commutes to NYC.

Nobody had an uneducated response, you were just too dense to understand

elmetal 05-16-2022 04:12 AM

As someone who has 1300 pilot below him here, it's not just "what's upgrade time"

It's really... What happens after I upgrade. I was senior enough to upgrade in Nov 2021. Guess who still has at LEAST 1.5-2 years of reserve left at this rate of upgrades?

Everyone loves to talk about how the 3 month (yes 3 months) 737 upgrade at Delta will be permareserve.

I'm practically there and I was hired in 2018
Someone hired today will be in a much much worse position.

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Cyio 05-16-2022 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3423504)
As someone who has 1300 pilot below him here, it's not just "what's upgrade time"

It's really... What happens after I upgrade. I was senior enough to upgrade in Nov 2021. Guess who still has at LEAST 1.5-2 years of reserve left at this rate of upgrades?

Everyone loves to talk about how the 3 month (yes 3 months) 737 upgrade at Delta will be permareserve.

I'm practically there and I was hired in 2018
Someone hired today will be in a much much worse position.

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Even worse when B6 buys us.

usmc-sgt 05-16-2022 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3423504)
I was senior enough to upgrade in Nov 2021. Guess who still has at LEAST 1.5-2 years of reserve left at this rate of upgrades?

1.5-2 years of captain reserve?

-laughs in JetBlue airbus

elmetal 05-16-2022 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 3423523)
1.5-2 years of captain reserve?



-laughs in JetBlue airbus

My point is that's the case for someone like me, who upgraded 6 months ago. So 2-2.5 years. Someone hired after me will experience MUCH longer stagnation.

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Poppachubby 05-16-2022 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3423533)
My point is that's the happening for someone like me, who upgraded 6 months ago. So 2-2.5 years. Someone hired after me will experience MUCH longer stagnation.

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Jesus dude.......can you speak english!

fumeevented 05-16-2022 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Poppachubby (Post 3423539)
Jesus dude.......can you speak english!

How do you know his name?

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