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Cockpit997 08-21-2022 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3481249)
and 800 of those 1000 at JB are senior to all spirit florida pilots.

I guess more interesting to me is that 1000 was really 750.

symbian simian 08-21-2022 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3481286)
And if the ISL was to be straight DOH, I would agree thats an issue. Until you have a SLI, you cant assume bidding percentage by a base.

The only thing thats pretty much universally known is this will be a longevity/Relative mix based on the recent history of integrations like this. With that you will see guys from the more senior side lose longevity and guys from the more junior group lose relative seniority. Because of this, I would not assume a 2009 JBLU pilot would be higher on the MCO bid list than a 2010 Spirit pilot. The JBLu guy will be upset he is now junior to a Spirit guy with less longevity and that NK pilot will say "Well I was bidding 15% in MCO, now im bidding 25%, I got screwed too". And thats how SLIs work out.

Yup. fillerfiller

Bluedriver 08-21-2022 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3479519)
I’m not sure you realize just how many pilots NK has in those two bases, and how many more there would be if the reduction bid had gone through.

Still waiting on my morning coffee to brew but pretty sure you were the guy railing on about how saturated the NK market to Florida is when you were on here beating your Blue drum prior to the F9 decision, and that we have squeezed all the business we could out of it.

Now you are putting money that after eliminating domestic and international overlap on routes that don’t need the double frequencies, and B6 canning all the NK routes of unsophisticated Florida bound people you claim won’t make money…. That B6 will suddenly discover troves of discerning and affluent new replacement routes because, I dunno JetBlue effect, and FLL and MCO will grow exponentially (compared to your current staffing)?

Could happen, but you might want to hold on to your money

When you only understand half of what someone says it's not surprising you end up confused.

Let me guess, they are gonna displace all the NK pilots to JFK...

Runaround 08-21-2022 04:45 PM

Any word on the planned size of the Houston base? I'll be starting at NK soon and live in Houston, so I'd love to be based there. Any tea leaf readers have any guesses as to how long it will take a new hire to hold IAH? Thanks!

JulesWinfield 08-21-2022 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Runaround (Post 3481419)
Any word on the planned size of the Houston base? I'll be starting at NK soon and live in Houston, so I'd love to be based there. Any tea leaf readers have any guesses as to how long it will take a new hire to hold IAH? Thanks!

No one has any clue, but ATL went pretty senior and is slow to grow. If they take the same strategy with IAH, it might take a while to get based there.

CincoDeMayo 08-21-2022 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3481426)
No one has any clue, but ATL went pretty senior and is slow to grow. If they take the same strategy with IAH, it might take a while to get based there.

Displacement to come later this year. Going to be much higher than the cancelled vacancy earlier this year. Hope to get some details and truth tomorrow on the call but preliminary numbers are 500 from the same 3 bases, or as like to call it, everyone is getting the ORD treatment.

Sorry guys, it’s gonna be nasty for the 3 bases
Hopefully we can ask some real questions tomorrow and none of this softball junk we see on these calls. Even if the moderator doesn’t select them, it’s time they start to answer for this operation.

Runaround 08-21-2022 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3481426)
No one has any clue, but ATL went pretty senior and is slow to grow. If they take the same strategy with IAH, it might take a while to get based there.

thanks for the insight.

Macjet 08-21-2022 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by Runaround (Post 3481419)
Any word on the planned size of the Houston base? I'll be starting at NK soon and live in Houston, so I'd love to be based there. Any tea leaf readers have any guesses as to how long it will take a new hire to hold IAH? Thanks!

As soon as you complete training put your app in at United. If you live near IAH and stay at NK you're a fool. Best of luck at United in the future.

Fah2 08-21-2022 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Cockpit997 (Post 3481306)
I guess more interesting to me is that 1000 was really 750.

With the displacement bid that was supposed to happen and prior to anyone knowing about IAH, that number was probably going to be much closer to 1000 than 750, so they weren’t totally wrong

MCDUmanipulator 08-22-2022 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3481426)
No one has any clue, but ATL went pretty senior and is slow to grow. If they take the same strategy with IAH, it might take a while to get based there.


maybe the first bid. But now new hires are being awarded it and also the second most junior captain base on the bottom end.


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