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Bluedriver 07-27-2022 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3467660)
I was going to ask you the same question, in all honesty

One guy pointed out costs as apparently the deciding factor on airline success or survival. I added that revenue must also be considered. And I'm the one dimensional dude?

Bluediver 07-27-2022 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3467658)
And neither is costs! Are you seriously this one dimensional?

What is the cost of all that Culture blew cares around on every flight?

El Peso 08-09-2022 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by E6BAV8R (Post 3462864)
You make a good argument. But, this is exactly the same way new (and cheaper) airlines have always entered new markets. If I recall correctly, it just came out last week that, on a per route operational cost-basis, NK is 46% cheaper to operate than United. AA, and Legacies, can price match all they want, but they'll certainly be losing money on a per route cost. Sure, they'll keep doing it (particularly from AA towards South Florida), but they're also on track to lose more than $1 Bill this year; whilst United and Delta are expected to make profit.

They can price match all they want, but they can't compete in the long term. Well... there's always bankruptcy. Which, AA will need a miracle, over the next few years to avoid it anyway.

This post is hilarious to read after the Q2 earnings are in. 52m loss in a quarter which you claimed is historically the easiest quarter to make money in.

Midsomer 08-12-2022 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by E6BAV8R (Post 3462864)
You make a good argument. But, this is exactly the same way new (and cheaper) airlines have always entered new markets. If I recall correctly, it just came out last week that, on a per route operational cost-basis, NK is 46% cheaper to operate than United. AA, and Legacies, can price match all they want, but they'll certainly be losing money on a per route cost. Sure, they'll keep doing it (particularly from AA towards South Florida), but they're also on track to lose more than $1 Bill this year; whilst United and Delta are expected to make profit.

They can price match all they want, but they can't compete in the long term. Well... there's always bankruptcy. Which, AA will need a miracle, over the next few years to avoid it anyway.

AA doesn’t have to sell their entire plane at Spirit fares. Just enough seats to skim a few spirit passengers. Looks like it’s working as AA made money and spirit lost money.

Excargodog 08-12-2022 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3475085)
This post is hilarious to read after the Q2 earnings are in. 52m loss in a quarter which you claimed is historically the easiest quarter to make money in.

https://i.ibb.co/6P32bbR/CBA3-B515-C...-DB88-FAC0.jpg
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https://youtu.be/49V1zgQTEO4

Conquistador27 08-13-2022 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by Midsomer (Post 3476898)
AA doesn’t have to sell their entire plane at Spirit fares. Just enough seats to skim a few spirit passengers. Looks like it’s working as AA made money and spirit lost money.

Yep. That’s the entire metric that is looked at. So just out of pure curiosity, when Spirit makes a profit next quarter, I guess you will say it’s not working anymore? Or will other factors be involved. Hmmmmm

CincoDeMayo 08-13-2022 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3476935)
Yep. That’s the entire metric that is looked at. So just out of pure curiosity, when Spirit makes a profit next quarter, I guess you will say it’s not working anymore? Or will other factors be involved. Hmmmmm

They are forecasting to lose money again next quarter.

Last to profitability from the pandemic at this rate.

JulesWinfield 08-13-2022 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3476944)
They are forecasting to lose money again next quarter.

Last to profitability from the pandemic at this rate.

Yup. Can’t get our crap together, so we’ll just cancel more flights to prevent another meltdown. What a joke.

CincoDeMayo 08-13-2022 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3476954)
Yup. Can’t get our crap together, so we’ll just cancel more flights to prevent another meltdown. What a joke.

Honestly we aren’t even smart enough to schedule and cancel, at least locking in some revenue. They keep blaming ATC in Florida, forcing them to not even run a full schedule. They are bragging about how good the operation is, when running at an unprofitable 80% scheduling.

It’s like running only 3/4 of a mile and bragging about your mile time, it doesn’t count.

But hey, let’s displace more pilots to the area of the country you blame for the loss and increase flying there. Smart.

CLE to IAH 08-13-2022 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3476954)
Yup. Can’t get our crap together, so we’ll just cancel more flights to prevent another meltdown. What a joke.

i see this as, we’re losing pilots. We refuse to pay NOW. we reduce schedule. We lose money. We lose more pilots, we reduce further.


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