yeha I’m not confused. Just didn’t state it clearly. Apologies. But he mentioned LORD Franke .. the majority stakeholder who owns 51% of the controlling interest is not a lord. And therefore didn’t frighten me. Obviously no CEO is lord .. the shareholders are.. but being owned 100% by jetblue which is led by Robin is more frightening to me. I’ve made it clear I want no part of B6. No apologies there. But being what it is, ill deal
with it and show up and fly like a good employee.

 

the other guy brought up the 220 as direct replacement. It’s not. Hence i mentioned the net gain. And thankfully my new reality is a few years away. Adorable response though. Really hope we can fly together someday .

 

Can you guys please stop fighting. We need unity for a sweet contract.

 

I flew with quite a few boomers who thought this way. Some sort of stockholm syndrome admiration for Franky who made their lives miserable but was a "business genius".

Yeah, no thanks.

 

B6 is led by Robin (for now) controlled by shareholders. ULCC is led by Biffle and controlled by Franke. Franke (Lord) can do whatever he wants since he is the majority shareholder. Robin cannot, he needs BOD and shareholder permission. Your rationale is still flawed

 

His rationale is super flawed. Franke controls everything over there, everything. Barry has to ask Franke anything and everything. If anyone thinks having Franke involved in anything is better than JetBlue, you need a wake up call.

Franke is a cancer. We just avoided that cancer.

 

Hear hear!
Filler

 

I gotcha... honestly man, I at first wanted the F9 deal, mostly because the combined order book, but after taking the time and studying alot and talking to people at F9/NK/B6 I came to the conclusion that B6 is a better move for us. My 1st choice obviously would have been stand alone and maybe get new blood in management, get a new CBA and move forward ourselves that way, but that wasnt really going to happen. But, I believe we will be stronger together with B6 in getting a solid contract(really hoping B6 guys are open to wanting our QOL, unlimited drops). There will be 100 A220's coming while they get rid of the 190's. Thats a net gain right there of 40 planes, they have more options with those. That doesnt even include the 320/321. lets not forget our order book too. More importantly, this will be a long process, longer than what most people think. The DOJ approval will be a long one, but it will eventually get approved. I think when the dust settles and lists are merged and run bids etc we are probably looking at 3yrs. But the deciding factor for me was Franke, it is not good working under him. I get your point with the shareholders having their 48 or 49% but honestly, as someone who spent time working for 2 Wall St firms before I came back to flying who currently is an investor in multiple businesses, we shareholders really dont care how the company is run as long as we are making money. Its a different world when you have been on the other side. Blackrock and Vanguard or whoever are looking for returns only, not how Franke/Biffle run the company and treat employees. The horror stories we hear even today at F9 really doesn't matter to any of their shareholders as they just posted a Q2 profit.

Ill throw this out there though... Ual, AA, Delta, Fedex, UPS hiring the way they are with their movement, upgrades and retirements there is no reason why people should just pull their apps from them. If you are young(CA or FO) id still leave and go there. Everybody I know that left does not regret that move and they are happier, so nooo you dont have to settle and deal with it. There are so many options today that we have never seen in our lifetime as pilots. Even senior CA's I know here are considering leaving... alot of places can make that pay back within 1-2yrs.

 

Well, this is off to a good start. Can we focus on a JCBA instead or is this going to be a year of back and forth of who’s got the bigger …..

 

A JCBA is so far off, both airlines will be on their own section 6 way before a JCBA. Concentrate on your own section 6 contracts now and focus on a JCBA when it’s time to do so.