a lot of this just isnt true... Some of this happens SOMETIMES, but its hardly the standard of how things go.

 

Got that Stockholm Syndrome.

“well yeah they ask us to clean planes, but we really don’t, only a few guys do. They say they can take our pass travel but they haven’t”

”Well yeah we have a program where they can call us after 4 sick calls, but it’s not a problem, they usually don’t”

I guess you are missing the point. None of this should be anywhere associated with the group flying the pointy end of the plane. Someone said non rev priority isn’t even based on seniority? Let me guess, “hardly the standard”.

I guess it’s indoctrination, the blue juice is strong. Don’t get me wrong, we have a bunch at NK that thinks everything is horrible here and want that extra $25/hr at JBLU; I just don’t think they know what they will be giving up when they do.

Spirit is dysfunctional, no doubt, but they leave us alone. Guys will miss that way more than they will enjoy the extra $25/hr

 

Cinco and I sometimes have our differences but not on this subject. It doesn’t matter what USUALLY happens, if it isn’t in the CBA (or JCBA) AND ENFORCED you are totally unprotected from it eventually happening. And a change of management can come in a heartbeat specially when your stock price is $7.40 and your capitalization is less than $2.5 billion.

You could be working for the most benign management in the world today and in a few months be working for a latter day Hulas Canodias. If we don’t lock in good working conditions in the JCBA we are all idiots. Not a tragedy for the FOs in this environment perhaps - there are a lot of opportunities out there - but for those with a decade of seniority who will be taking a huge leap backwards going elsewhere a potential disaster.

 

This 1000%

 

Totally agree.

 

It also doesn’t recognize those that are most vested in making the company succeed, those that spend a career with the company. Not a here today gone tomorrow ramper, gate agent, FA, or corporate pencil pusher. Those folks absolutely should not be getting on a flight before my family and me just bc they checked in quicker

 

This is exact point with the Stockholm syndrome over there.

You’re correct.

The poster who said it isn’t a fair policy because pilots don’t have access to the internet, ugh, laughable and sad.

I don’t care who has internet access, a 20 year pilot should get his family on a plane before a 1 year ramper who is just passing through JBLU on their way to the next job.

Like I said, that Blue Juice is strong.

 

The company controls the non rev policy at every single airline.


It’s not in the CBA other than to say that if it exist for everyone else it exist for the pilots too.

and yes we all agree the current policy is BS. Doesn’t matter because the company owns it and they aren’t going to change it and it certainly isnt something we should use negotiating capital on.

 

Whatever I'm as far from a juice drinker as you can get. Do you think back when blewjet started they didn't know every other airline did priority by DOH? Do you think blewjet management haven't heard that same complaint constantly for 23 years? I *****ed about it directly to the management people who stopped by our room on my DOH. Obviously that argument is dead. Need a new arguement so pointing out another angle may get some movement because the "this is how everyone else does it" has obviously failed.

 

This and as far as I know their isn't a single US airline that has pilots have priority over any other group. JS is DOH as it should be and other than that I'm sure as hell not wanting the NC to be using any negotiation capital towards our NR priority.