Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3551902)

true, there is that risk… but I do think this merger easily gets approved

Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3551895)

So this Spirit TA is part of the Spirit Frontier merger? Nice!

Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3551910)

It shows how badly a contract is needed to solve an issue at both of our airlines. If Frontier and Spirit merged they would have needed to solve that issue fairly quickly in order to staff the airline and grow as they planned. Not to mention the pesky problem of actually completing a merger. Thought that was fairly obvious.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3551940)

1) Thank God the F9 merger died. Nothing against the F9 pilots, want to work with them, but cant stand that management
2) Franke wont do anything "quick," and I doubt that guy would give the contract that many on here are wanting, just to merge the airlines. This isnt like JBlu where you have 2 different airline business models, Franke runs many ULCC carriers and I dont think for a second he would feel he "needed to solve" any issue quickly.
3) If attrition is so bad at F9, where is the contract to address that? Probably because (see #1 and #2 above)

Again, love the pilots at F9, but cant stand that management group.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3551940)

1) Thank God the F9 merger died. Nothing against the F9 pilots, want to work with them, but cant stand that management
2) Franke wont do anything "quick," and I doubt that guy would give the contract that many on here are wanting, just to merge the airlines. This isnt like JBlu where you have 2 different airline business models, Franke runs many ULCC carriers and I dont think for a second he would feel he "needed to solve" any issue quickly.
3) If attrition is so bad at F9, where is the contract to address that? Probably because (see #1 and #2 above)

Again, love the pilots at F9, but cant stand that management group.

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3551962)

100%. Anyone that favored the frontier deal I hope in five years looks at the JetBlue contract and looks at the frontier contract. Also how many bases frontier opens and closes in that time.

Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3552003)

Well said. Gonna highlight that so [MENTION=99855]Stayontarget[/MENTION] can read it again.

Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3552093)

Oh I read it alright. Only a year to go until our contract is up for renewal….you got me….

If you want our attrition numbers just scroll up where I posted them already. If you want exact numbers by month I have those too. I really enjoy squashing hearsay with actual data. All good.

All in all I look forward to everybody else getting their raise prior to Frontier. Gives us a goal to meet or beat. Hopefully my teammates are as ready to fight for it as much as I am. In unity.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3551846)

JetBlue first year guys have been making $90 plus an hour for the last four years. They seem to have survived without screwing over their junior people.

And their 12 year 320 CAs make $283 +16% DC - and that’s their CURRENT contract. Again, without screwing over there newbies.

Originally Posted by gripngrab (Post 3552122)

So true. I'm not voting for any contact that doesn't give newbies at least $150 an hour and full insurance benefits from day one. The more senior guys can sacrifice a few dollars to help them out.

Originally Posted by dickwhitman (Post 3552181)

So I’ve been a solid no on this TA since day one. But I’m curious.

Are there any people who were on the fence leaning towards yes that will now vote no if B6 comes up with rates that are higher than ours?

Alternatively, if you are still planning on voting yes if this occurs, what is your logic?

Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 (Post 3552184)

I’m in that camp. Was a soft yes. B6 rates will more than likely turn me to an easy no. I’m not expecting B6 rates/package to be spectacular but more than likely higher than ours. If that’s the case I’ll be a No.

Originally Posted by dickwhitman (Post 3552181)

So I’ve been a solid no on this TA since day one. But I’m curious.

Are there any people who were on the fence leaning towards yes that will now vote no if B6 comes up with rates that are higher than ours?

Alternatively, if you are still planning on voting yes if this occurs, what is your logic?

Originally Posted by dickwhitman (Post 3552181)

Alternatively, if you are still planning on voting yes if this occurs, what is your logic?

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3552303)

My logic is I already got the “VOTE YES” tattooed on my @SS. And I’m too cheap to have it removed so I have to keep my YES vote.

Originally Posted by putzin (Post 3552314)

Lol, you're such a dork.

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 3552344)

The fact that they couldn’t at least squeeze in a snap up to JetBlue rates and that we would have to wait until 2024 to get a lot of the gains in this TA is insane. Hey but at least check airman, instructors and 12 year CA’s get theirs immediately… extra firm NO just to spite those greedy ******s

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3552355)

The 12 yr CA rates are still low for todays market. The check airman override is significantly lower than the United and AA agreements that got sent back.

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3552338)

lol thanks☺️. I’ll show you next time we fly together.

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3552355)

The 12 yr CA rates are still low for todays market. The check airman override is significantly lower than the United and AA agreements that got sent back.

Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3552878)

When does voting close?

Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3549360)

The only reason JB has come up to legacy is because none of them have had a pay raise in 4 years. Wake up.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3554004)

According to a JetBlue thread Alaska gets 5-7% profit sharing on average and something about getting even if there is no profit

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3554218)

Maybe find out if this is true, before posting here? #noisecanceller

Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3546516)

First off it seems you haven’t been in the airline industry long. You’re only as good as your last contract and everything can be long term.

Second, comprehensive or not has nothing to with getting paid less than market. That’s a line you’ve been fed to adjust your expectations and it worked. Comprehensive has to do with taking months or years to open every contract section. We did not do that here but has nothing to do with taking less money.

Third is QOL. WHAT QOL??!!! The spirit QOL myth will not die. Our QOL isn’t any better than the legacy airlines. Read the contracts side by side. We have a some things better and some things worse as do they. This spirit QOL myth is just that, a myth! It’s something new hires are fed to rationalize working for less.

Your post history says you participate in air shows and maybe live in SLC. You need to be applying at Delta. That will do more for your QOL than anything in the spirit QOL. Of course they’ll want you to get on the industry LEADING train and that doesn’t seem your speed. Sit back and let the professionals handle the heavy lifting please.

Originally Posted by buttonpusher68 (Post 3605546)

Well, your condescension didn't age well.... Also, I worked one three day last month with 4 days of VAC for 40 credit, and this month I'll work 10 days and credit 70. Try doing that anywhere else. Carry on...

Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3605587)

Boy. You sure showed him. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by buttonpusher68 (Post 3608564)

Yeah, I kinda did. Everything I said that he condescendingly replied to was proven false. But that’s fine, the rancor on this forum seems to come from unhappy people who like to sit around and *****, and take pot shots at people they don’t even know (ie they’d never talk like that in person). But thanks for helping to get me hired here. 👍

Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3608653)

What would you do to him if he took a “pot shot” at you in person? Start a fist fight and get fired?

Originally Posted by UsernameDenied (Post 3610198)

Does anyone know if this TA is available online somewhere? Im not an ALPA member, I don't work for an airline.... yet :)

Originally Posted by buttonpusher68 (Post 3605546)

Well, your condescension didn't age well.... Also, I worked one three day last month with 4 days of VAC for 40 credit, and this month I'll work 10 days and credit 70. Try doing that anywhere else. Carry on...

Originally Posted by biigD (Post 3610256)

Don't need to try. I've got a week of vacation and a three day for just under 60 hours next month, and three big three day trips per month is typical for me. With vacation and some sick time I try to get as close to 100 days per year as I can. You don't have the market cornered on being a lazy bastard, sir. :p

(and I'm at the ****tiest of the Big 3 - not saying our work rules are better than Spirit's, but this poster's example isn't a good one)

Originally Posted by buttonpusher68 (Post 3605546)

Well, your condescension didn't age well.... Also, I worked one three day last month with 4 days of VAC for 40 credit, and this month I'll work 10 days and credit 70. Try doing that anywhere else. Carry on...

Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3610460)

Not a spirit guy and the last 6 months I’ve averaged 20 days off a month with around 73 credit. That’s using a couple vacation weeks and a couple trips either sick or PTO’d. I don’t think that’s really unique to spirit, no matter what your union and company tells you.