AIP reached
 

Let’s start guessing the new pay rate.

Somewhere between current jetBlue and Alaska

really??? I’m thinking we just raised the bar past Delta’s TA

I heard the reps wont even see it until Friday, so everything you read on here is all rumor and unconfirmed. But, ill start the rumors... we matched Alaska

if we are throwing out random numbers . $528.32 for captains and $204.68 first officers. Company Maxes out 401k in first 2 checks of year . 80k 3 month retro . Chic fila crew meals . (Sorry not if you’re flying Sundays. No vote for me 😂).

Can somebody please post Alaska’s TA pay rates here? I would look it up but I’m too busy working on my next troll attempt…hey I’m being honest.

I’m legit shocked something came out. Preparing to be disappointed though.

Here you go.

Is this DOS Or DOS+4?

Until the NC members start dropping hints to their buddies then it spreads like wild fire.

Looks like +4. Alaska year 1 is 306 top rate if i recall. Realistically, we should except something similar to that, maybe a couple dollars below.

Everyone wants leaks, and we want them now…

Last check delta just had an AIP and Alaska is old news. My expectations have changed

Reps were at negotiations all day today, working with the NC. They know the numbers.

Alaska is a 3-yr contract.



Alaska DOS payrate 9/1/22 12th yr CA is $306.

DOS+1 is 9/1/2023 = $318

DOS+2 is 9/1/2024 = $331


on 9/2023 and 9/2024, snap up by averaging big 4 pay AA, DL, UA, and SW. JetBlue included only if they get a new JCBA by then. So take rates of the big 4 on those dates, divide by 4, that’s the new hourly rate if it’s higher than 318 and 331, respectively.

I’m not. In any other climate they would have everything to gain by dragging out the inevitable, and making offers they are sure we would vote down for the optics of doing something.

But time isn’t on their side. We’ve taken a hit from inflation sure, but most of us are making our mortgage and boat payments. We will hold the line until we stop flying on the back side of the pay curve.

Meanwhile planes keep coming and pilots keep leaving. I’m prepared to dig in for the long fight. If the company is smart, they’ll stop tripping over dollars to save a dime. Maybe they got smart….

So you’re saying I have no reason to wear my north face jacket anymore?

I agree and that is my standard as well, but my expectation for what we will see is probably going to be different than what we consider as the new standard, and I will vote accordingly.

I just really hope our union didn’t agree really low pay rates that are going to embarrass us to the rest of industry.


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yes I’m working on that now. One second while I check with my trusty van driver from DTW and my senior mama FA from FLL.

Ole Blue hair in MSY knows everything.

Oh, Jude Blue. I think he gave me a restaurant recommendation in between conspiracy theories one time, but I was actively trying not to listen.

If they did we vote no and clean house

Congrats guys, hope it's great.

So let me get this straight….there are people who think that the Delta TIA is the pay standard, but that we should also keep all our QOL provisions? Even the “Alaska or better” mantra seems to fail to consider they have several work rules in their contract that most people I have talked to wouldn’t trade into to have their pay rates. To me, the snap up provision is the most important. We are not getting Delta, ever, much less their 22% retroactive pay.

If you want Delta rates, I’m afraid you’re going to have to wear a double breasted suit and a hat…..and kiss seniority and QOL buh-bye. If you’re under 40-ish, it’s a no brainer, maybe. But for the rest of us who are in it for the long haul, I hope we will be rational in our expectations and votes.

Let’s wait and see the actual TA before beginning to rationalize why taking less than industry standard is the way to go… JFC

You are comical. Other than not getting retro bc we aren’t past our amendable date, much of what you said is complete BS. Alaska’s work rules for the most part are garbage but deltas are not at all. If you think they are I think you need to read both of our contracts side by side and get a reality check.

Seriously. It’s like some people have a loan shark ready to break their legs that they’ll vote for anything. The “this is spirit” attitude is toxic and needs to quit

Im not even sure what to make of this? Somebody get Stewart Smalley in here asap!

Take it for what it’s worth as I’m not NK, but I have a really good friend who’s banging your CEO’s secretary and he confirmed all of that plus you’re all getting a new Miata.

I already tried explaining wearing the hat part to them…

Thank god you’re not on my negotiating committee FFS.

I wonder if they fixed training pay? That might help with actually getting pilots to come here.

oh man. He is the worst driver ever. Start stop start stop. He slams the brakes then the gas.

ughhh

that’s the only thing they company really wants. Don’t give it to them without getting the rest. Excargo can go fly a kite.

please grow a pair before we merge and have a jcba.

That is slightly incorrect alaska first year is 100 not 108

correction those rates are our 2024 rates, the 2022 and 2023 are slightly lower

But did you die?
Next time get him to show you his Tik Tok channel. Bless his heart he was so happy when he finally got 15 followers.

You need to not say this crap here. Assuming you’re actually a pilot here and not someone Ted paid to troll the forums, this is the kind of attitude that leads us to be forever bottom feeders.