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SoFloFlyer 12-30-2022 12:46 PM

It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.

1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.

This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.

2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).

3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.

4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.

Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).

Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!

baseball3792 12-30-2022 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3562275)
Spirit won’t survive in present form without a new contract attrition is too great and NH pay isn’t high enough. Vote this TA down and you’ll have a better agreement because management can’t afford not to give it. There’s only so many 750hr helicopter pilots around so they won’t be able to hire enough to change the tide.

Spirit isn’t surviving in present form anyway. It’s bleeding money and pilots. It’s either going to JetBlue or frontier.

ZooKeeper 12-30-2022 02:06 PM

Vote yes, take the money in the short term and get more soon in the merger tpa and jcba

JayBee 12-30-2022 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3562302)
It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.

1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.

This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.

2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).

3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.

4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.

Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).

Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!

Thanks for the well-thought-out reply, much appreciated.

CincoDeMayo 12-30-2022 05:24 PM

Bank the money and fight tomorrows fight, tomorrow.

But bank the money. This is free money, banked, and ours to get through the crap

Noisecanceller 12-30-2022 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3562302)
It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.

1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.

This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.

2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).

3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.

4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.

Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).

Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!

This is an easy no without a JetBlue merger. Easy! The following steps of the merger and passing on easy money now certainly complicate things

Your number 4 scenario while factual has no ending. All leverage will be lost.

baseball3792 12-30-2022 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3562495)
This is an easy no without a JetBlue merger. Easy! The following steps of the merger and passing on easy money now certainly complicate things

Your number 4 scenario while factual has no ending. All leverage will be lost.

Not all leverage. This deal isn’t near enough to really help with attrition. At most, it’s a stopgap to help the bleeding for the next 6-12 months until it becomes jetblues problem. The leverage will not be lost.

SoFloFlyer 12-30-2022 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3562495)
This is an easy no without a JetBlue merger. Easy! The following steps of the merger and passing on easy money now certainly complicate things

Your number 4 scenario while factual has no ending. All leverage will be lost.

I’m inclined to feel the same way if the merger wasn’t a thing. I would be worried if this was the best they could do for an offer during the current climate.

Honestly, I haven’t given much thought to your second point, but I don’t disagree with it

Poppachubby 12-30-2022 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3562495)
All leverage will be lost.

Exactly what leverage do we have now that we wouldn't have later?!

SSlow 12-30-2022 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Poppachubby (Post 3562542)
Exactly what leverage do we have now that we wouldn't have later?!

Well right now we have the lowest first year pay in the industry.

Assuming this TA passes, first year pay will inevitably be moved up to industry leading or very close to it.

So there's that...


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