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It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote. This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process. 2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously). 3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA. 4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one. Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category). Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck! |
Originally Posted by Otterbox
(Post 3562275)
Spirit won’t survive in present form without a new contract attrition is too great and NH pay isn’t high enough. Vote this TA down and you’ll have a better agreement because management can’t afford not to give it. There’s only so many 750hr helicopter pilots around so they won’t be able to hire enough to change the tide.
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Vote yes, take the money in the short term and get more soon in the merger tpa and jcba
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
(Post 3562302)
It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote. This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process. 2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously). 3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA. 4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one. Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category). Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck! |
Bank the money and fight tomorrows fight, tomorrow.
But bank the money. This is free money, banked, and ours to get through the crap |
Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
(Post 3562302)
It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote. This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process. 2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously). 3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA. 4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one. Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category). Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck! Your number 4 scenario while factual has no ending. All leverage will be lost. |
Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
(Post 3562495)
This is an easy no without a JetBlue merger. Easy! The following steps of the merger and passing on easy money now certainly complicate things
Your number 4 scenario while factual has no ending. All leverage will be lost. |
Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
(Post 3562495)
This is an easy no without a JetBlue merger. Easy! The following steps of the merger and passing on easy money now certainly complicate things
Your number 4 scenario while factual has no ending. All leverage will be lost. Honestly, I haven’t given much thought to your second point, but I don’t disagree with it |
Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
(Post 3562495)
All leverage will be lost.
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Originally Posted by Poppachubby
(Post 3562542)
Exactly what leverage do we have now that we wouldn't have later?!
Assuming this TA passes, first year pay will inevitably be moved up to industry leading or very close to it. So there's that... |
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