They are talking about how at the companies discretion they can continue to increase pay to 98% of 2nd year pay. This is only going to really happen if in the next 3-6 months they don’t see any improvement in the filling of classes with the new rate. They’ll raise it again to attract more people.

I believe the biggest hindrance is training pay. I know people that can’t afford to come to NK even though they liked too. Idk why the company didn’t think that through.

What are other companies training pay policies? Jet blue was $2000/mo but idk if that increase with their TA. Don’t know anything about the legacy training pay either.

I believe AA and UAL are first year times guarantee. Delta was 5200 per month but unclear what the new AIP states. Over at F9 it’s first year times 75 hours.

Probably because it doesn't cost the company anything to try out the new rates first and slide up from there if they determine it would benefit them. We get nothing for that btw.

We should have at least negotiated some sort of snap up in the event they want to bump up first year pay by 45%

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My biggest problem with this TA is the attitude from both the union and many members of the pilot group, some even posting on here. As someone else mentioned, there is way too much emphasis on "tomorrow's fight" and "the next bite out of the apple" and so on, so forth.

It seems like there is this big change in attitude that we keep procrastinating, but oh it's going to happen, just not today.

But when does it though?

This was all made clear during the road shows.

Union said they want 72 hours and first year pay for training.

Company said “fine, that’s on your side of the table, so it’s a cost the union incurs.”

NC said “child please”

Company said “we don’t have problems attracting pilots, regardless of APC lore, we have issues retaining pilots”

NC says “you do you, boo, but we are already getting hit with $90m over 2 years in just the first year pay increase, we are not subtracting from other areas to add”

The company said they believe this will get enough pilots to staff the 500 they need next year, the met their hiring needs this year and plan to hire over 1000 to meet their 500 for next year.

Why line pilots seem more concerned with the number of apps on file when we don’t even see the stack, and they do, I just still don’t get it.

But feel free to vote no if you think the company will come back and offer more for training while not sticking with the cost being carried by the pilot side of the deal. That’s a fools errand for me.


Something else to ponder;

Even IF the company comes back and wants to talk. And even IF we get a new deal and it’s approved for vote, road shows etc, you have to ask if you think the new TA2 rates
will be more than TA1 DOS+1 rates. Because that’s pretty much how the timeline would be close to ending up.

Hey, that’s me! ✋

If you haven’t heard when it’s going to “happen,” I honestly don’t know what else to say. The path has literally been laid out.

This is a 2 year deal, wasting at least 25% of the duration for probably no increase, while opportunity costs of this contract, can’t do.

But sometimes you have to walk down the hill and screw all the cows vs running down to screw 1.

We need to vote No, recall the NC go after them on reserve rules and PS. We will drag this crap out for years if we need to! Let’s fight the good fight!!

Gotcha. Thanks.

UAL is first year rate at 90 hours per month (3 hours per day assigned to a syllabus). And 24 hour per diem.