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AllOva736 01-08-2023 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567191)
Well, the yes voters also argue that the upcoming TPA and JCBA change the timeframes substantially and that we don’t have years to waste negotiating now when we’ll already be negotiating again in a year. Right or wrong, that’s the belief, and this will pass roughly 70-30 I’d guess

I love how some dude fresh off OE knows what everyone here is thinking and has all the answers. Are you even done with OE? Do you actually work here?

onedolla 01-08-2023 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567191)
Well, the yes voters also argue that the upcoming TPA and JCBA change the timeframes substantially and that we don’t have years to waste negotiating now when we’ll already be negotiating again in a year. Right or wrong, that’s the belief, and this will pass roughly 70-30 I’d guess

Yes, again, just a new spin to a tired argument. “Make more money now with your yes vote”. I know you’re new, you’ll see this same song and dance numerous more times in your career.

8JRMfortheyear 01-08-2023 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 3567200)
I love how some dude fresh off OE knows what everyone here is thinking and has all the answers. Are you even done with OE? Do you actually work here?


Youd be surprised how many FNG want this TA to pass. I understand them but im just glad they can't vote.

trd270 01-08-2023 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3567217)
Youd be surprised how many FNG want this TA to pass. I understand them but im just glad they can't vote.

FNG here, yup can’t vote. Was a hard no mentality when it first came out. Despite not being able to vote I watched everything, did my research and am now on the yes side of things but not because of my substantial first year gain. I’d suggest you educate yourself further and leave emotion out of it.

onedolla 01-08-2023 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by trd270 (Post 3567290)
FNG here, yup can’t vote. Was a hard no mentality when it first came out. Despite not being able to vote I watched everything, did my research and am now on the yes side of things but not because of my substantial first year gain. I’d suggest you educate yourself further and leave emotion out of it.

What about those of us who have graduated beyond first year… it still doesn’t work for me. Am I wrong? Is yes truly the only answer?

baseball3792 01-08-2023 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3567292)
What about those of us who have graduated beyond first year… it still doesn’t work for me. Am I wrong? Is yes truly the only answer?

We will find out in two days. Do you really think this thing will fail? I suspect a pretty strong majority *thinks* it is right to vote yes, regardless of if they are correct on that. I could well be wrong, I’ll know in 2 days!

Excargodog 01-08-2023 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3567292)
What about those of us who have graduated beyond first year… it still doesn’t work for me. Am I wrong? Is yes truly the only answer?

It’s a close call, actually, and I’ve waffled back and forth. Even the KNOWN unknowns are substantial (timing of the JB purchase, the JCBA, whether the DOJ will even let it happen..? And then the effectiveness of the JB snap up, because they damn sure aren’t going to give up pay on the JCBA). It really IS a close call, and nobody should give anyone a lot of cr@p for deciding the other way.

8JRMfortheyear 01-08-2023 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by trd270 (Post 3567290)
FNG here, yup can’t vote. Was a hard no mentality when it first came out. Despite not being able to vote I watched everything, did my research and am now on the yes side of things but not because of my substantial first year gain. I’d suggest you educate yourself further and leave emotion out of it.


Good for you and Yes, I did "educate" myself.. We'll get them next time.

CincoDeMayo 01-08-2023 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3567295)
It’s a close call, actually, and I’ve waffled back and forth. Even the KNOWN unknowns are substantial (timing of the JB purchase, the JCBA, whether the DOJ will even let it happen..? And then the effectiveness of the JB snap up, because they damn sure aren’t going to give up pay on the JCBA). It really IS a close call, and nobody should give anyone a lot of cr@p for deciding the other way.

A "close call" that I bet is over 65% Yes when the vote total is released. I dont think it is as "close" as you think it is. 2018 was not close, this wont be "close"

AllOva736 01-08-2023 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by trd270 (Post 3567290)
FNG here, yup can’t vote. Was a hard no mentality when it first came out. Despite not being able to vote I watched everything, did my research and am now on the yes side of things but not because of my substantial first year gain. I’d suggest you educate yourself further and leave emotion out of it.

I love the smugness! Brand new but you watched the roadshow livestream so now you’re the educated one in the group. Did you consider that a $40 raise to someone who makes $230+ isn’t perceived the same as someone making $60?


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