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8JRMfortheyear 01-08-2023 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 3567074)
Now that Allegiant proposed rates are higher than this TA, does that change the way any of you guys vote?

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"We are not Allegiant"

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Excargodog 01-08-2023 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3567118)
Queue in the Defense calvary:

"We are not Allegiant"

Continue...


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8JRMfortheyear 01-08-2023 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3567126)
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"They dont have the same 401k as us"

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Halon1211 01-08-2023 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 3567074)
Now that Allegiant proposed rates are higher than this TA, does that change the way any of you guys vote?

No, two reasons.

#1 this isn’t an official TA for Allegiant

#2 our TA, isn’t a normal contract…it’s just a pay raise while we negotiate our JCBA with JetBlue.

Justabusdriver1 01-08-2023 10:00 AM

I agree. Company circumventing their union. It’ll be awhile before they actually implement anything. Months at best. Second fact is spirit is at the table now to address new hire and attrition issues. If our new contract doesn’t improve those problems they’ll be back to the table to increase rates again.

If piece of tape doesn’t stop a leak you go back and rematch it.

panpanpan 01-08-2023 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3567151)
No, two reasons.

#1 this isn’t an official TA for Allegiant

#2 our TA, isn’t a normal contract…it’s just a pay raise while we negotiate our JCBA with JetBlue.


It’s not a TA but it is proposed rates. That’s just semantics. Also, you may be stuck with that pay raise for 2-3 years. Why not get a pay raise to match your peers?

baseball3792 01-08-2023 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 3567163)
It’s not a TA but it is proposed rates. That’s just semantics. Also, you may be stuck with that pay raise for 2-3 years. Why not get a pay raise to match your peers?

Oh no, imagine the horror of being stuck with a pay raise for 2-3 years (particularly one that’s backloaded to be a lot better for 2024). Much worse than being stuck with what we have now for 2-3 years. Horrific.

The primary logic of yes voters is that we will ultimately get more money in our pockets by taking the money now than by pursuing a slightly bigger raise that might not come for months or years.

onedolla 01-08-2023 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567172)
Oh no, imagine the horror of being stuck with a pay raise for 2-3 years (particularly one that’s backloaded to be a lot better for 2024). Much worse than being stuck with what we have now for 2-3 years. Horrific.

The primary logic of yes voters is that we will ultimately get more money in our pockets by taking the money now than by pursuing a slightly bigger raise that might not come for months or years.

Which, of course, is usually the logic used to pass any TA1… this isn’t unique.

baseball3792 01-08-2023 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3567186)
Which, of course, is usually the logic used to pass any TA1… this isn’t unique.

Well, the yes voters also argue that the upcoming TPA and JCBA change the timeframes substantially and that we don’t have years to waste negotiating now when we’ll already be negotiating again in a year. Right or wrong, that’s the belief, and this will pass roughly 70-30 I’d guess

panpanpan 01-08-2023 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567191)
Well, the yes voters also argue that the upcoming TPA and JCBA change the timeframes substantially and that we don’t have years to waste negotiating now when we’ll already be negotiating again in a year. Right or wrong, that’s the belief, and this will pass roughly 70-30 I’d guess

In a year? The merger may not even be complete in 2 years. Then, the JCBA happens after that. So, I think it could be 3+ years.


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