Good to know we have at least 900 pilots with a back bone.

** 900 pilots with brain damage

No offense but absolutely not paid more than United FOs OR captains on current contract. Certainly nowhere even close to delta's new deal. Should I also bring up JB?

I’m going off of APC with our A321 override. Not sure what you are going off of?

add 5% to any numbers on the apc table. that's outdated.

For example: 2nd year FO on the 320/321 is $147 and change.
2nd year 320/321 CA is $275 and change.

It is an absolutely a contract. It may not be a completely negotiated new CBA, but it is most definitely a contract.

for what airline?

Right back at the table, lol. You’ll be living under your new contract for probably 4-5 years. Enjoy.

UAL... Filler

Company isn’t coming back to the table the only reason they came in the first place is because they wanted to raise first year pay and couldn’t. Now they can do it unilaterally, they aren’t coming back now.

Sorry you guys won’t be able to use Spirit 2018 rates against us as leverage in the SLI or by your management for TPA/JCBA.

Be a good boy and vote in that TA, daddy wants that snap up in the JCBA when we become a happy family. Run along, make it happen.

sorry meant. This is a 2 year deal with a stipulation of right back to the table if b6 falls through. This isn’t a 5 year stuck behind the industry type deal. It might take others a year before a TA, who knows what happens with the economy in the meantime. This contract is crap as a 5 year standard deal but it isn’t. We will be mid cycle now and have great leverage for a JCBA or standalone NK.

Ever? We will never bargain for another contract like it says we have to in two years or when the JB merger fails? Good. It will be easier to prove to a mediator the company isn’t bargaining in good faith and we can get released. I’m also hoping they do raise first year pay, so when we do bargain again that will be the new bottom.

What’s to say year 1 and 2 pay can’t be within 2% of each other as a new standard going forward forever and they treat it the same they did for this new contract? Would that really be a “gain” for us?

Every dollar going to the pilot group raises the bar for the next contract so yeah. Besides, JCBAs have a leverage all their own.

Bunch of ******* gravy chokers.

The only way they'll be rushing back to the table in 2 years is to ask for concessions on industry-trailing rates if this merger doesn't happen. This management group has shown they can't run a consistently profitable airline, and somehow that is supposed to justify our underwhelming ask. This could easily be a 5-year deal in the case the merger falters.

your beloved spirit is out of business if your merger with JetBlue fails. If it wasn’t for b6, the next airline in the USA to go bankrupt will be Spirit. Ulcc doesn’t work with your leadership team.

no your are right. We will instead use the fact you knowingly approved an inferior contract while we had a better offer on the table.

thank you for solidifying your career expectations.

If you expect our MEC to put forth any effort at all to bring you guys up during the TPA negotiations you are insane. You had your chance 2 months ago. Your union leadership sold you a bill of goods and I would put a paycheck bet on no financial gains during TPA.

nah probably into chapter 11 then merged with like an Alaska or Frontier…

Yup - this……

Sadly, I think you are spot on with the bolded part.

100% correct. Everyone here cheering crappy pay rates and thinking it will somehow help in a merger must not realize these new *fantastic* pay rates are still less than what JB’s will be.

This was the one and only part of the TA I just couldn't wrap my head around when the union tried to spin it off as a positive. Nobody really knows for sure, but it could easily go the other way and end up hurting us if the merger doesn't go through.

Darn right I'm gonna cheer getting an extra $50K+ a year and giving up nothing in return for it.

Leverage.

You gave up leverage.

Every contract that is ratified someone gives up leverage. Usually both parties.

But what is done is done. Crying over spilt milk is fruitless. One way or another, we will be back in negotiations in two years or less, either for a JCBA or for a new CBA. For the NK guys voting no, you lost this time. Get your arguments, proposals, and wants to the MEC for the next go around. Same for the NK yes voters. This doesn’t stop here.

For the non-NK guys, vote your own contracts any way you want. This one’s done.

He said he gave up nothing for $50k.

I pointed out that is false.

Carry on.

this is why people work for legacy’s aka real airlines.

What “leverage” did we give up? I can tell you right now, in the other APC, Airline Presidents Central they’re roasting Ted right now because he gave a raise to the pilots and literally got nothing in return.

You're right. The training department gave up nothing. My bad.

The training department has had their golden goose and eggs for too long! I’m glad that they have to bid their own seniority….

And getting junior manned into LCKA duties is ok when you just what to bid a non-training line with your seniority? The LCKA will take all the 'good' trips with their bidding now not wondering what training will give them. What side are you on anyway? We can all apply to be training pilots too.

I gave up training pilots officially when my CFI expired in 2006…. Never came here aspiring to be a CKA. And despite how many have asked, I will not do it.

Translation: “We’ll get ‘em next time!”

🙄

hehehehe

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I have been on here telling them to stop planning (or basing their vote) on any snap up on TPA but their union leaders told them so, and they threw the policy at me and told me to read (as if because the policy says it can be included, means it will be included) smh, so.......now the 69% will have to learn the truth first hand. What's the number? Around 900 Nk folks voted no? Well we can, at the very minimum, plan on about 900 NK fellow pilots to help fight the good fight on JCBA.

Good luck on that TPA snap up, ya know.....the 2nd "bite at the apple"
I'll be sure to eat my words if it happens.

See y'all at the JCBA table, I mean that sincerely.

I don't think you realize how much you have just helped us in the SLI argument. Thanks in advance, you really know how to help out family.

I just stop by to see if the No voters are still crying

LOL

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