Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3566784)

Got that but what are the numbers?

Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3566738)

right….🙄

filler

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3566784)

Got that but what are the numbers?

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3566884)

Rates are close to Alaska’s, a little higher at certain steps. 12 year CA is $313 at DOS. Retirement is below market (13-15%) current contract is an employer match.

For us it would be a 35% raise at DOS - that’s how low our current rates are.

No way it gets voted on. Union president just applied for NMB. We are still a couple years away from a contract.

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3566899)

I don’t get it. Did y’all get an AIP orrrr??? What am I missing?

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3566900)

No nothing like that. Management is doing a media blitz to undermine the union. Management sent mailers telling us how much we are gonna miss out on if we don’t take the deal. Union is telling us at least 1-2 years for a deal.

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3566786)

bout tree fiddy

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3566749)

If you dont see the gains/differences in the 2018 CBA vs the unsolicited offer Bendo sent to our homes, you really are a blind troll. You are the 10% that will always complain, be unhappy, feel like the union "screwed" you and just plain damn miserable.

And for reference, for some of the newer guys, his screen name refers to guys like him that would go against our pre 2018 contract and accept 200% over the 5 trips every pilot was allowed. You get 5, and that was it. Some pilots said screw it and worked deals with scheduling and circumvented the contract to suit their needs, like this clown, screwing over fellow pilots for their opportunity for some extra cash. And he was upset that some people took note of these people, "gravy chokers", and called them out.

So he complains and then screws over guys in the process. Its all about him, always has, always will. Let me guess, youre a "no voter" on the TA?

Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 3567074)

Now that Allegiant proposed rates are higher than this TA, does that change the way any of you guys vote?

Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 3567074)

Now that Allegiant proposed rates are higher than this TA, does that change the way any of you guys vote?

Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3567118)

Queue in the Defense calvary:

"We are not Allegiant"

Continue...

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3567126)

Cue
cavalry

Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 3567074)

Now that Allegiant proposed rates are higher than this TA, does that change the way any of you guys vote?

Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3567151)

No, two reasons.

#1 this isn’t an official TA for Allegiant

#2 our TA, isn’t a normal contract…it’s just a pay raise while we negotiate our JCBA with JetBlue.

Originally Posted by panpanpan (Post 3567163)

It’s not a TA but it is proposed rates. That’s just semantics. Also, you may be stuck with that pay raise for 2-3 years. Why not get a pay raise to match your peers?

Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567172)

Oh no, imagine the horror of being stuck with a pay raise for 2-3 years (particularly one that’s backloaded to be a lot better for 2024). Much worse than being stuck with what we have now for 2-3 years. Horrific.

The primary logic of yes voters is that we will ultimately get more money in our pockets by taking the money now than by pursuing a slightly bigger raise that might not come for months or years.

Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3567186)

Which, of course, is usually the logic used to pass any TA1… this isn’t unique.

Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567191)

Well, the yes voters also argue that the upcoming TPA and JCBA change the timeframes substantially and that we don’t have years to waste negotiating now when we’ll already be negotiating again in a year. Right or wrong, that’s the belief, and this will pass roughly 70-30 I’d guess

Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567191)

Well, the yes voters also argue that the upcoming TPA and JCBA change the timeframes substantially and that we don’t have years to waste negotiating now when we’ll already be negotiating again in a year. Right or wrong, that’s the belief, and this will pass roughly 70-30 I’d guess

Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567191)

Well, the yes voters also argue that the upcoming TPA and JCBA change the timeframes substantially and that we don’t have years to waste negotiating now when we’ll already be negotiating again in a year. Right or wrong, that’s the belief, and this will pass roughly 70-30 I’d guess

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 3567200)

I love how some dude fresh off OE knows what everyone here is thinking and has all the answers. Are you even done with OE? Do you actually work here?

Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear (Post 3567217)

Youd be surprised how many FNG want this TA to pass. I understand them but im just glad they can't vote.

Originally Posted by trd270 (Post 3567290)

FNG here, yup can’t vote. Was a hard no mentality when it first came out. Despite not being able to vote I watched everything, did my research and am now on the yes side of things but not because of my substantial first year gain. I’d suggest you educate yourself further and leave emotion out of it.

Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3567292)

What about those of us who have graduated beyond first year… it still doesn’t work for me. Am I wrong? Is yes truly the only answer?

Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3567292)

What about those of us who have graduated beyond first year… it still doesn’t work for me. Am I wrong? Is yes truly the only answer?

Originally Posted by trd270 (Post 3567290)

FNG here, yup can’t vote. Was a hard no mentality when it first came out. Despite not being able to vote I watched everything, did my research and am now on the yes side of things but not because of my substantial first year gain. I’d suggest you educate yourself further and leave emotion out of it.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3567295)

It’s a close call, actually, and I’ve waffled back and forth. Even the KNOWN unknowns are substantial (timing of the JB purchase, the JCBA, whether the DOJ will even let it happen..? And then the effectiveness of the JB snap up, because they damn sure aren’t going to give up pay on the JCBA). It really IS a close call, and nobody should give anyone a lot of cr@p for deciding the other way.

Originally Posted by trd270 (Post 3567290)

FNG here, yup can’t vote. Was a hard no mentality when it first came out. Despite not being able to vote I watched everything, did my research and am now on the yes side of things but not because of my substantial first year gain. I’d suggest you educate yourself further and leave emotion out of it.

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 3567304)

I love the smugness! Brand new but you watched the roadshow livestream so now you’re the educated one in the group. Did you consider that a $40 raise to someone who makes $230+ isn’t perceived the same as someone making $60?

Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3567307)

Did you consider that not everyone eligible to vote makes $230 an hour right now?

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 3567315)

yup… That wasn’t the point.

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3567311)

I can’t wait till voting is over and we have other things to talk about

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3567325)

Haha, the next meltdown is always just around the corner

Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3567332)

Let’s talk daily ops in MCO…. What a ****show

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3567297)

A "close call" that I bet is over 65% Yes when the vote total is released. I dont think it is as "close" as you think it is. 2018 was not close, this wont be "close"

Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3567332)

Let’s talk daily ops in MCO…. What a ****show

Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 3567304)

I love the smugness! Brand new but you watched the roadshow livestream so now you’re the educated one in the group. Did you consider that a $40 raise to someone who makes $230+ isn’t perceived the same as someone making $60?