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I do agree, this is very peculiar that our executives are able to manage some of the highest pay checks in the industry. I do agree with most of the “no” voters concerns but holistically I happen to sway toward the camp of believing the risk being higher voting no versus the immediate reward of voting yes. I can’t vote anyway so take that as you will.

Some good truth there- like how they sent the email saying attrition was a big problem in November. Then in December they say the company hired all they needed to and utilization was because of the way they built the schedules???

Be nice to hear the truth once in awhile from our own.

This right here! Union email looks like they are nervous of the no votes. Building our legacy lol what a joke.

Comical really and the cronies eating up these lies. I wonder if any JetBlue guys understand what heading their way?

By now there has to be over 90% of the vote in.

If the MEC is lobbying this hard, then it has to be close and they are hoping to sway the remaining undecideds, maybe those who wanted to attend a road show first? I doubt we need another week to know which way this thing is headed.

Maybe they worry that seeing the live tally may influence pilots to go with crowd, but they could at least update on the percentage of turnout so far….

Yep that’s what it looks like to me as well. It’s annoying to me they have resorted to veiled threats to vote for it. Why not just send out an email that says something like “Don’t forget to vote it’s only open for X number of days.”

Honestly speaking, if this TA doesn’t pass, I and a majority of other new hires will likely contribute to attrition. I dunno but maybe that stimulates you that the company will be in worse shape. Way to build your legacy.

How does the voting result work here? Can they see a live tally or do they get the final numbers after it closes?

If you have that weak of a stomach now, I can only imagine how you would be having to walk off the property… or how about when your own airline sues you?

See for me, if this thing passes I’ll be disappointed, have a drink, knock the old lady around, and then move on to the next fight. I want the best for this place, including probies like you.

Definitely not worried that you or others will run away to somewhere else if you don’t get your way. All victories come at a cost.

i agree that the union seems nervous but I’d personally be shocked if it failed. Everyone I’ve flown with the last few weeks is a yes vote besides myself.

A year from now, when Ted and the gang are draining three pointers from the outside in their quarterlies and first year pay is a few bucks shy of second, and they announce even more red eye utilization, somehow you’ll never fly with a yes voter again…

Yup. Suddenly we’ll be profitable again and the contract will be neutral cost. Bendo really is masterful at this.

And that they aren't bleeding pilots to us!

I wonder if the new guys appreciate your screen name.

I always said hes a true genius. Same with Fornano, 70-30 votes in the current cba and next day " Thank you for the cost Neutral contract".

It was made for the Union JRM watchers. Never forget..

Makes perfect sense, you want the best for this place but you could care less if people leave. Cool story bro.

“But I had my kids and family to think about..something something”

“Get ‘em next time… bites of the apple.. I don’t even know what that means something something”

“Free money.. no loss of QOL.. it’s like a raise before the real pay rates something something mmble blah”

“they probably wouldn’t have come back to the table… United rejected months ago.. NK pilot costs are way more than Delta as a percentagepowerpoint roadshowunionrepsumthin mumble blah thhhppptt…”

At least the "no mans land" is officially retired.

My favorite part of the roadshow was when PS said that we need to tell our buddies at Delta to step up their game.

Long time ago I had a distant cousin go into the car sales game. Year or so later I’m chatting with him in the corner of a backyard family bbq, and he’s now a walking meme of car salesman: white button down with dockers, slicked back hair, pencil-thin mustache, sunglasses, pinky ring, cell phone on the hip, faint wisp of cheap cologne mixed with recently smoked Newport. Anyways after a few beers he’s telling me all the trick and dirty little secrets of the car biz, holdbacks, kickbacks, F&I… but what stuck with me the most is when he said this:

“No matter how much you negotiate or stomp and scream and threaten to get a deal, if the salesman & manager are smiling and happy for you when drive away, it’s because we figured a way to money out of you”

We already saw how quick Bendo praised the efforts of the TA when it came out. Watch when this thing passes how overjoyed and congratulatory they will be towards the pilot group…

"Building our legacy" is raising the bar and at least staying in the ballpark of what everyone else is getting. Market rates for airbus pilots are $xxx/hr. It really is that simple.

Even the regionals figured out how to step up their game when the mass exodus hit and the applicant pool dried up. The market evolved to meet the demand for a tightened labor supply, and it is no different for the ULCCs. Either they will figure out how to make it happen, i.e. the ultra low cost model will be forced to change to meet these new demands, or the whole model will go under and it will make the industry a better place for us and those behind us.

Trust me, I ain't worried about finding another job if this doesn't work out. In this competitive labor environment there is virtually no chance a pilot group and a shiny new fleet of A320s is just going to dissolve overnight and not get scooped up.

And if that does happen pretty much everyone is hiring and making solid coin by year 2, even in the right seat.

To be clear you can vote no and want the best for the company, to make it a place people want to stay. If new hires leave it’s because the company hasn’t raised pay enough, hasn’t offered insurance from day one, and still have people on training pay for months. This TA doesn’t fix any of that, sure it raises first year pay but most of the rest of the years pay even with the raise aren’t industry standard, or even non-legacy rates (JB and AK). So yes folks can want the best for this place and vote no. If people leave that’s on the company to fix (or send a TA out that would actually fix the attrition problem).

It will be a point that you'll have to vote with your feet.

Y’all do know that the votes are shielded from the union right? It’s literally in the disclaimer that you acknowledged when you voted lol.

They’re either not Spirit pilots or are bots…. In which case, Elon needs to get on it, stat!

As a new hire myself and talking with most of my peers, this TA would would make it hard for them to consider leaving. Most of us came here for the scheduling system as line holders and this TA would slow the bleeding significantly opposed to the ladder which would include a possible mass exodus of pilots. I want the best for this place too because I chose to be here. On the other hand, as considerate as you may be, you should rejoice that over 20% of the pilot roster is not eligible to vote.

So you came here for the scheduling, but only if the scheduling includes this TA being voted in? Did you somehow apply, interview, and get hired in the span of this first being announced?

Let's just cement ourselves to the bottom as the lowest paid Airbus drivers. Do you really want what's best for this place because it sure doesn't sound that way. That's pretty short sighted just for a quick buck. And as you said, you chose to be here. You knew the pay when you applied but now you want to sell the group short...

So basically what you’re saying is: “Screw the rest of you guys (who all went through first year pay at a lower rate than you), this benefits me right now. I know I took the job at this current rate before ANYONE knew there would be an early TA, but if you don’t give me what I want I will leave. My buddies will leave too. We’ll all leave together holding hands because you guys are big meanies who won’t give us what we want.”

Listen closely kid: I WANT ALL OF US TO HAVE EVEN MORE!

I was hired well before this announcement and almost to a year on property. Other airlines started significant pay increases after I was hired. This TA was later introduced and I along with my peers agreed that this would stop us from leaving to other competitors like Delta, AA or United. This is an evolving industry and for now this TA would simply keep me interested in staying just as back when the scheduling system kept me interested in staying. Stone me for having my opinion, it’s the reason why most “yes” voters steer clear of these forums.

Says the guy who thinks we should be able to buy cars from a dealership at cost or better. Good business model ma’am.

What you are insinuating is not what I meant. I’m agreeing with the negotiating committee that this benefits ALL of us now and later.

No matter this TA or not you’d be wise to go to a legacy. Being the bottom of a youngish 8000 pilot airline with no widebodies will not favor you even if we make the same as the legacies.

If you live in Florida that might be a wild card. However AA and UAL now have Florida bases.

I love seeing all of these FNGs on their first rodeo here posting about what is best for the pilot group and pretending that their opinion actually matters to anyone.

Y'all keep up the good work while I go make some popcorn.

LOL

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Also in Happy Gilmore terms: "the price is wrong, b!tch!"

FahQ2 got banned...

Naughty naughty

But, but, does anyone else have a used car salesman cousin that can help us?

How did he manage that? lol