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Old 08-10-2023 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by beverage
It may not be a zero sum game but much of that "pretty damn good" is on the backs of the "need some improvement" reserve rules.
Which, as I’ve said, need improvement.
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Old 08-11-2023 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Born2FlyAv8R
Well I may be a minority here - but I love my reserve schedule. I work a max of five reserve shifts - have all day off the last day of the reserve shift, have four full days off, and can easily commute in for my first day back on reserve. Get called in MAYBE once a week. Beats reserve life at the regional 100 percent. I truly don’t see myself doing anything else.
Yeah, I'd say A LOT depends on your seniority and whether or not you live in base.

Personally, I would say things here have changed dramatically for a subset of pilot in the past year and a half. Base reductions have pushed some of us to commuting. That commuting has led to perpetual reserve with a 5 or 6 day reserve block. This commuting takes us to sitting around in a city that we do not live in, waiting to be called for a day turn or a two day trip with a 3 hour callout. So there's a group of us that are pretty miserable once they made these radical changes to flying schedule from 3 and 4 day trips to 1, 2, and 3 day trips with on top of that seeing very little growth or movement within the company during that same time.

I would say FO's are going to be pretty happy with QOL since there's so much movement. Captains with lines are going to be consistently happy with things. Reserve here is total garbage for any commuter.
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Old 08-11-2023 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LoopsMcDoops
. Reserve here is total garbage for any commuter.
Commuting to reserve is total garbage anywhere, but yeah, currently living that life and hating it. A line here will be a game changer.
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Old 08-11-2023 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by skitheline
Commuting to reserve is total garbage anywhere, but yeah, currently living that life and hating it. A line here will be a game changer.

Not wrong. But there are a lot of commuters out there who willingly chose to commute. What he’s talking about are those who had it pretty decent only to be forced into poor qol. Reserve can definitely be better at other carriers. Having the ability to pick up or bid for left over trips rather than waiting to randomly be assigned is common else where.
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Old 08-11-2023 | 09:03 AM
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Some context from JB.

I live in base and I happen to like our reserve system and bid it on purpose. Could there be improvements, sure. I have bid a line twice this year(so say 130 hours of flight time in those two months) and yet here we are in august and I have a total of 207 block hours for the entire year. My QOL is pretty damn good.

Last year finished with just over 300
Both the Covid years were under 100, but that’s an anomaly
2019 was 270.

We can have a reserve system that goes senior enough(especially in bases where people live) that only those who want it get it. There was a couple times in years passed where the most junior pilot was junior maned into a line in September and October in MCO.
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Old 08-11-2023 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Some context from JB.

I live in base and I happen to like our reserve system and bid it on purpose. Could there be improvements, sure. I have bid a line twice this year(so say 130 hours of flight time in those two months) and yet here we are in august and I have a total of 207 block hours for the entire year. My QOL is pretty damn good.

Last year finished with just over 300
Both the Covid years were under 100, but that’s an anomaly
2019 was 270.

We can have a reserve system that goes senior enough(especially in bases where people live) that only those who want it get it. There was a couple times in years passed where the most junior pilot was junior maned into a line in September and October in MCO.
The only way to make reserve at spirit go senior again would be to allow reserve drops (outside-in, not checkerboarding) and to allow reserve pilots to pick up open time.
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Old 08-11-2023 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball3792
The only way to make reserve at spirit go senior again would be to allow reserve drops (outside-in, not checkerboarding) and to allow reserve pilots to pick up open time.
Hopefully included in the JCBA.
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Old 08-11-2023 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Hopefully included in the JCBA.
PU for reserve inside of 48 hours, yes.

Whats the concenus about out of base pickup? What's Industry standard? Jetblue?
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Old 08-11-2023 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
PU for reserve inside of 48 hours, yes.

Whats the concenus about out of base pickup? What's Industry standard? Jetblue?
Reserves can pick up Premium (150%) trips from Flica when available right up to 3.5hrs before report time.

Reserves can also pick up trips on their days off, but it only goes toward meeting the 75hr monthly guarantee (you’re working for free). Sometimes it comes into play if you’ve had a busy month on RSV and will break guarantee.

Global opentime is in our CBA, but it requires the company to place a trip into a global OT pot and I’ve never seen or heard of anyone actually picking anything up from it.
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Old 08-11-2023 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Reserves can pick up Premium (150%) trips from Flica when available right up to 3.5hrs before report time.

Reserves can also pick up trips on their days off, but it only goes toward meeting the 75hr monthly guarantee (you’re working for free). Sometimes it comes into play if you’ve had a busy month on RSV and will break guarantee.

Global opentime is in our CBA, but it requires the company to place a trip into a global OT pot and I’ve never seen or heard of anyone actually picking anything up from it.
That doesnt seem like a bad system, do you guys like it?

What about dropping reserve days?
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