LAX & LAS back to base.

The reality is that the biggest thing facing both pilot groups are behavioral items. Pay raises and profit sharing is a black and white in the sense that it doesn’t depend on how a pilot behaves, they’ll get the pay and the profit sharing.

Behavioral items like our reserve rules is what allows our line holders to drop trips without a threshold credit restriction or tell the company to kick sand when they up us to depart prior to 3 hours while on SCR.

Learning not only the work rules, but also how life would look like under certain work rules, and if that’s conducive to how we want to go about things in the future.

I was told that folks on reserve in JB don’t know their RAP until the day prior. If that’s true, thats’s a no-go for guys that bid reserve on purpose here.

I’m interested to see how we approach this as two groups trying to be one.

This would be convenient, but it would take away from premium.

Ex.: You’re R07 and commute. You see a trip in OT that would hav you report by 8:30. Let’s also say that if you pick up that trip, you’ll have 2 flights to get you in to be protected by the commuter policy. In this case you, you’d win.

But if the current system stayed as is, a pilot could’ve gotten it on the XY List and you continue to sit reserve.

Which one is better? Not entirely sure, but I do know that these types of items are behavioral items and that’ll need to be addressed in the JCBA. We’ll have to decide as a collective group how we want life to look like at post merger JB while on reserve.

yeah but what you’re forgetting in most cases there’s more than enough reserves to cover the trip the main difference being the one who wouldn’t be legal for it may prefer that trip where as the one who would get the call may not care or even would prefer not to fly at all.

when we aren’t in irops there’s maybe 1 or 2 premium calls a day in any particular base for the right seat. The left does have more. It might reduce premium by a small percent. But if all you’re doing is taking one reserve and moving him to a different rap you have one less reservist for the rap they were assigned. Another trip could pop up during that rap with one less person to cover it causing it to go premium. Premium are very much right time right place situations. They sporadically pop up and only in an irops can you see that list grow rapidly.

trips left in OT rarely go premium. It’s usually assigned to a reserve anyways. It’s day of trips where someone called out or operational issues that cause a lack of crew where those go premium.

Oh dear God don't suggest that premium be taken away with facts /s

Seriously though, while I love a 200% call as much as the next guy in my opinion there are better ways to consistently make more money for well pretty much the entire work group. At brand X we automatically got 125% (making up numbers because I can't remember...) for any hours above 72, 150% for any hours above 80 and 200% for any hours above 90 or whatever... so essentially we'd make 80 hours of pay just for flying the awarded line, and anything picked up in open time would essentially be automatically 150% or up to 200%. I think Frontier has some kind of system like this. You wouldn't necessarily have to give up X/Y or DTZ for this either and allowing aggressive pick up inside of 48 hours is a small concession to make to improve the quality of life for reserves. I digress however as I try to think of the good of the whole group and not just myself...

So you'd rather only have 12 days off on SCR, got it.

A couple of trips out of ORD do Caribbean and Central America red eyes. The first day is a late start and the following two days are red eye trips with one last late night back to ORD. Three "nights" in the same hotel in FLL. Worst trip ever.

There’s been plenty of times where I was the only reserve to cover said trip when they call me for non-contractual offer of MUP because there’s no one else. That trip should’ve gone to aXY List Pilot. That’s where I was getting at with said example.

Now, I don’t care which way we go because I’ve gotten premium from once or twice from that and I also wished I could’ve picked up a trip in the fashion that you’re describing. I get both sides tbh. Again, totally up to the pilot group as a whole

i agree with banana as a whole I’d rather see more consistent ways to make and guarantee higher pay. Hate playing the sporadic random game of waiting for premium. I’m only in the 30s for premium time and I’m in probably the top 10% of those who signed up. Definitely towards the bottom of the list for getting a call. Some really milk that systems and it’s good for them. But having something that can be used by the whole group where we don’t have to wait for random premium calls or get lucky there’s irops with only a few reserves and all the people above you on the list are busy.

But back to reserve I just think pick up within 48 would have a minimal if any effect on premium. Might have a few less one day and a few more the next. Just by the nature of how our premium works.

Considering both sides and being on reserve myself, I agree with y’all actually. As long as we’re legal for it and it fits in our RAP, we should be good to go. Idk how many times I put in a preference that fit my days perfectly only for CS to give it to someone else. Either that or it gets thrown into the X List because they decided they needed to hold onto more reserves for the next day.