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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3706147)
JB 12+ years. Have NEVER worked a Christmas or Easter. I've sometimes CHOSE to work a thanksgiving because I choose, for my own reasons, with my own strategy. I've never worked a 4th of July, although I screwed up my bid (didn't realize it would hit me with a carry-out from June) once and was scheduled to work one, but it was with a check airmen, and was bought.
Your own example proves my point. If only 4 lines had the 25th off for this United pilot, only 4 pilots got it off (not counting reserves). If that were ever true at Spirit, the same proportion of guys would HAVE to work Christmas. The flights WILL be covered. The proportion of JB, NK and UAL pilots with Christmas off is the same, and directly proportional to the amount of flying the airline does that day. You're missing a basic understanding of airline scheduling. |
Originally Posted by vegabondpilot
(Post 3706104)
Just about every pilot I've talked to wishes we'd just stay Spirit. I don’t think this is true at all. I think the vast majority of the pilot group have no confidence in this management group to run an airline, have less than zero interest working for anything owned by indigo and absolutely cannot wait for this merger to close with a JCBA that captures the best of both contracts’ work rules with legacy compensation. No one wishes to stay spirit unless they are age 60+ and don’t need the hassle in the last years before retirement. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3706147)
JB 12+ years. Have NEVER worked a Christmas or Easter. I've sometimes CHOSE to work a thanksgiving because I choose, for my own reasons, with my own strategy. I've never worked a 4th of July, although I screwed up my bid (didn't realize it would hit me with a carry-out from June) once and was scheduled to work one, but it was with a check airmen, and was bought.
Your own example proves my point. If only 4 lines had the 25th off for this United pilot, only 4 pilots got it off (not counting reserves). If that were ever true at Spirit, the same proportion of guys would HAVE to work Christmas. The flights WILL be covered. The proportion of JB, NK and UAL pilots with Christmas off is the same, and directly proportional to the amount of flying the airline does that day. You're missing a basic understanding of airline scheduling. I have yet to meet a NK pilot that would prioritize money over QOL. Luckily, our set up allows us to work as little or as much as we want. |
Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
(Post 3706155)
I have yet to meet a NK pilot that would prioritize money over QOL. Luckily, our set up allows us to work as little or as much as we want. That’s no excuse for being compensated less. No excuse! |
I'm one of those people that chooses to work Christmas. I'm single with no kids and a relatively small extended family. We don't do much. As a senior FO I could easily get Christmas Eve off and then whatever pairing I wanted starting Christmas Day. It's one less pilot with a family possibly forced to work on Christmas and I get a little extra pay.
Speaking of pay, one thing that needs to be majorly improved his holiday pay. I think the new United TA is an additional 5 hours and they have several more holidays. |
Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
(Post 3706166)
I want both! The red/green ARBITRATED language is set in store and with DTZ is a non negotiable.
That’s no excuse for being compensated less. No excuse! |
Originally Posted by BusBoi
(Post 3706176)
I'm one of those people that chooses to work Christmas. I'm single with no kids and a relatively small extended family. We don't do much. As a senior FO I could easily get Christmas Eve off and then whatever pairing I wanted starting Christmas Day. It's one less pilot with a family possibly forced to work on Christmas and I get a little extra pay.
Speaking of pay, one thing that needs to be majorly improved his holiday pay. I think the new United TA is an additional 5 hours and they have several more holidays. |
Originally Posted by BusBoi
(Post 3706176)
Speaking of pay, one thing that needs to be majorly improved his holiday pay. I think the new United TA is an additional 5 hours and they have several more holidays.
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Originally Posted by skitheline
(Post 3706250)
You'll take your 75 bucks and be happy!! Agreed, this needs to change.
I'm also one of those who doesn't mind working the holidays. But, the point was we get a CHOICE. Not everyone wants the same thing. That's the thing that Bluedriver consistently doesn't understand while trying to lecture us about how airline scheduling works. Our scheduling rules are far superior to JetBlue's. He just doesn't get it because he's been Stockholm Syndrome'd into thinking that's how it has to be. |
Originally Posted by vegabondpilot
(Post 3706288)
Our holiday pay is insultingly bad. That definitely needs to change.
I'm also one of those who doesn't mind working the holidays. But, the point was we get a CHOICE. Not everyone wants the same thing. That's the thing that Bluedriver consistently doesn't understand while trying to lecture us about how airline scheduling works. Our scheduling rules are far superior to JetBlue's. He just doesn't get it because he's been Stockholm Syndrome'd into thinking that's how it has to be. |
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