What part of not scalable is hard to understand. Allegiant is shrinking. Frontier is about to be in the red. They’ve said as much. Both are half the size or less than Spirit. Spirit made a ton of money at 100 aircraft.

The ULCC model was supposed to be the first to return to profitability. Even if Frontier is going to be profitable this year, it is certainly nowhere near what it was previously predicted to be at in comparison to the legacy carriers.

Also, Frontier’s stock price is in the dumps. If their were anyway the company could make the books look better, they probably would. Doubtful they would mess with the books to make the company look worse off just to delay/stall pilot negotiations, if that’s what you were implying.

Save your breath, he's one of the "smartest dumb people".

So... changing the model to out and back flying with all aircraft back in home base at night for maintenance? Sounds good in theory, but one problem is (especially for a large, or "growth", airline) there simply isn't enough parking space at night for all of those aircraft. Not nearly enough. For example, Delta parks aircraft overnight all over the southeast because there simply isn't room in Atlanta. Now you gotta pay to overnight the crews and have maintenance at many of those outstations.

More importantly your utilization of assets will go down. ULCC aircraft need to fly 13+hrs a day

How bad are upgrade times about to get given the aircraft being grounded next year (I'm guessing really really bad)?

I'm not waiting around and am updating apps but if there is something I'm missing please let me know. From what I can see upgrades are about to slow to a crawl. Combine that with the JetBlue merger and the fact that a lot of their pilots commute and will come to some of the Spirit bases (I live in Chicago) and it's all bad news as far as I can see. The only thing I can think of is that attrition is about to increase again which could lead to faster upgrade times but that seems like a huge reach and very hypothetical at best.

Live in Chicago? What are you waiting for? You know what to do.

infinite‎?‎

I have two friends who also couldn’t stand sitting in the right seat so they chased an upgrade to FedEx. Worked out so great for them.

On another note, I have a uhhh friend, who is wondering if they should start looking at other options. They’re a low time FO bidding 90%+, that’s worried that with no more FO hiring and the P&W being grounded that they won’t fly much and will take forever to build enough time to go to united. Would I er..I mean my friend be crazy for looking at atlas or a fractional?