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CincoDeMayo 11-12-2023 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3723384)
what? You did like that someone actually can up with an answer that an airline actually did close up shop? So you are now dismissing it because it happened before you were born so now it doesn’t count?

here then, another airline that closed up shop and went out of business in the United States;

Legend Airlines

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_Airlines

tell me you don’t like that answer and I’ll give you another airline.

These are not comparable airlines.

NK is 80% larger than Braniff was when it closed its doors and Legend, seriously? Legend was flying retrofitted airplanes that were RJ sized and were competing for business travel only. They had 7 planes, and hardly a “major airline” as Lincoln was talking about.

The best comp for an airline that had a fleet size close to NK, when it closed shop, is PanAm.

The point is, NK is not a small airline and you have to go back 43 years to find a “not a small airline” just going away.

TWA is a semi comparable for NK. It’s much smaller than NK is currently, but it had a large order book. Nevertheless, TWAs downfall took 20 years.

Tornado875 11-12-2023 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3723406)
These are not comparable airlines.

NK is 80% larger than Braniff was when it closed its doors and Legend, seriously? Legend was flying retrofitted airplanes that were RJ sized and were competing for business travel only. They had 7 planes, and hardly a “major airline” as Lincoln was talking about.

The best comp for an airline that had a fleet size close to NK, when it closed shop, is PanAm.

The point is, NK is not a small airline and you have to go back 43 years to find a “not a small airline” just going away.

TWA is a semi comparable for NK. It’s much smaller than NK is currently, but it had a large order book. Nevertheless, TWAs downfall took 20 years.

I am not sure what Halons point is. In the other thread he is arguing about how great Spirit is, and how it has an industry leading contract, in this thread he is trying to argue that Spirit is going to dissolve? In my mind those statements both have about the same amount of truth to then, (not much).

CincoDeMayo 11-12-2023 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by Tornado875 (Post 3723414)
I am not sure what Halons point is. In the other thread he is arguing about how great Spirit is, and how it has an industry leading contract, in this thread he is trying to argue that Spirit is going to dissolve? In my mind those statements both have about the same amount of truth to then, (not much).

Halon is on the “spectrum” and I’m pretty sure he eats the hotel pens left in the flight deck

Halon1211 11-12-2023 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Tornado875 (Post 3723414)
I am not sure what Halons point is. In the other thread he is arguing about how great Spirit is, and how it has an industry leading contract, in this thread he is trying to argue that Spirit is going to dissolve? In my mind those statements both have about the same amount of truth to then, (not much).

I’m not arguing that spirit is going out of business. Somebody said that it’s never happened before and I just pointed out that it was.

Are you seriously trying to argue because something happened 40 years ago, means that it can’t happen again?

and Braniff wasn’t a small airline either. They had a large presence.

Halon1211 11-12-2023 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3723422)
Halon is on the “spectrum” and I’m pretty sure he eats the hotel pens left in the flight deck

Weak……

filler

GPullR 11-12-2023 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3723406)
These are not comparable airlines.

NK is 80% larger than Braniff was when it closed its doors and Legend, seriously? Legend was flying retrofitted airplanes that were RJ sized and were competing for business travel only. They had 7 planes, and hardly a “major airline” as Lincoln was talking about.

The best comp for an airline that had a fleet size close to NK, when it closed shop, is PanAm.

The point is, NK is not a small airline and you have to go back 43 years to find a “not a small airline” just going away.

TWA is a semi comparable for NK. It’s much smaller than NK is currently, but it had a large order book. Nevertheless, TWAs downfall took 20 years.

43 years??1991,32 years,eastern.

CatPilot1 11-12-2023 07:26 AM

The government should be sponsoring Spirit with all the cash they’re using to block the merger with JetBlue. We could become an arm of the military when it comes time to transport all the right wingers to the famed FEMA camps. If the government wants us as a stand alone airline so badly, surely they plan on bailing us out if the merger fails. We could become the premier government subsidized airline, kinda like the subsidized Houston Katrina apartment I lived in back in the day.

Halon1211 11-12-2023 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3723478)
43 years??1991,32 years,eastern.

AND

although MidWest Airlines technically “merged”, the pilots were laid off and assets were liquidated. This was in 2010.

Lincoln Osiris 11-12-2023 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3723460)
I’m not arguing that spirit is going out of business. Somebody said that it’s never happened before and I just pointed out that it was.

Are you seriously trying to argue because something happened 40 years ago, means that it can’t happen again?

and Braniff wasn’t a small airline either. They had a large presence.

Where did I say it never happend? Reading is hard.

disenchantMINT 11-12-2023 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3723610)
Where did I say it never happend? Reading is hard.

You didn't. The airline and economic landscape today is much different than it was 20-40 years ago. Any comparisons to Pan Am, Eastern, etc don't fit the times. There are fewer airlines and less competition.


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