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Halon1211 11-12-2023 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3723610)
Where did I say it never happend? Reading is hard.


“Yea 41 years ago...”

^^^^^ this was your post (post #179)

so yes you did suggest it. You are suggesting because it happened only 41 years ago that it can’t happen again.

if not then explain what you meant by “yeah 41 years ago”

8JRMfortheyear 11-12-2023 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3723504)
AND

although MidWest Airlines technically “merged”, the pilots were laid off and assets were liquidated. This was in 2010.


Those guys surely got hosed.

Ed Force One 11-12-2023 08:18 PM

You all are acting like we won't immediately go back to the original deal with Frontier before the judge's gavel strikes that thing that gavels strike. Frontierit will wither and die at least 5 xtimes slower than standalone Spirit would, thereby ensuring most of us will have some semblence of a job for 10 years or more, provided we chose to ride it out.

Lincoln Osiris 11-12-2023 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3723762)
“Yea 41 years ago...”

^^^^^ this was your post (post #179)

so yes you did suggest it. You are suggesting because it happened only 41 years ago that it can’t happen again.

if not then explain what you meant by “yeah 41 years ago”

Not exactly sure how the resident troll took "41 years ago" as me saying "it's never happend"...

Chimpy 11-13-2023 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 3723794)
You all are acting like we won't immediately go back to the original deal with Frontier before the judge's gavel strikes that thing that gavels strike. Frontierit will wither and die at least 5 xtimes slower than standalone Spirit would, thereby ensuring most of us will have some semblence of a job for 10 years or more, provided we chose to ride it out.

that match up may last longer than a combined JB/NK which apparently at date of approval will put them (us) in a severely distressed financial position. Either way AA has always been like $40,000,000,000.00 in debt so as long as we are “too big too fail” We should all be happy

Noisecanceller 11-13-2023 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 3723794)
You all are acting like we won't immediately go back to the original deal with Frontier before the judge's gavel strikes that thing that gavels strike. Frontierit will wither and die at least 5 xtimes slower than standalone Spirit would, thereby ensuring most of us will have some semblence of a job for 10 years or more, provided we chose to ride it out.

Never going to get a single dime out of that group and the model is flawed at size in this country. May as well punch out the day that’s announced.

Notwithstanding the blatant hypocrisy of the DOJ approving a frontier/spirit and not a JetBlue/spirit.

king10pin02 11-14-2023 02:32 AM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3723866)
Never going to get a single dime out of that group and the model is flawed at size in this country. May as well punch out the day that’s announced.

Notwithstanding the blatant hypocrisy of the DOJ approving a frontier/spirit and not a JetBlue/spirit.

how would it be hypocrisy? they are attempting to block a merger that would admittedly(by jblu) raise ticket prices significantly VS one that probably wouldnt raise them for the consumers

sailingfun 11-14-2023 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3720948)
What’s competitive at a legacy today? Aren’t they hiring at 1500 total time?

If you were a straight A student with a degree. Have a solid work history outside aviation, no checkride failures, earned your ratings in reasonable hours and 500 of that 1500 is turbine you might have a shot.

Bluedriver 11-14-2023 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 3724182)
how would it be hypocrisy? they are attempting to block a merger that would admittedly(by jblu) raise ticket prices significantly VS one that probably wouldnt raise them for the consumers

One of the governments main arguments is that on the few routes remaining that JB and NK compete on there will be a reduction of competition as NK is removed from the market. JB and NK compete on less than 10% of their routes.

On the other hand, NK and F9 compete on nearly 50% of their routes.

When like business models merge the point is to reduce competition with one another, increase market share, and get more pricing power over the consumer, among other benefits. All of that means less competition (on a much larger scale than the JB+NK merger) and higher prices. NK and F9 are both seeing margin pressures from the demand side, make no mistake they would use the merger to raise prices in the markets that are consolidated.

Bgood 11-14-2023 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 3724182)
how would it be hypocrisy? they are attempting to block a merger that would admittedly(by jblu) raise ticket prices significantly VS one that probably wouldnt raise them for the consumers

Also, if you were following the trial, you would not say this. But I get it, you need it to be correct so you can make your comparison.


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