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Old 01-17-2024 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wasntme
is capitalism when government tells you, you can’t merge or be acquired?
Go read a book about Teddy Roosevelt. Was he a socialist commie?
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Old 01-17-2024 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Carebear
  1. “The proposed merger has the potential to increase prices for customers in two ways: 1) with the elimination of Spirit from the market, consumers would no longer have Spirit’s low prices as an option; 2) with the elimination of Spirit from the market, consumers would no longer benefit from Spirit’s downward pressure on other airline’s prices.”
So they're keeping NK around for the same reason UAL keeps propping up mesa?

Then maybe the judge should provide financial support to NK?

How big is the actual risk of BK, really? Any positive trends in financials?
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Old 01-17-2024 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Don’t forget to vote for him this fall.

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Old 01-17-2024 | 03:44 PM
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The judge who struck down the merger was a Reagan appointee, but yes, everything is Biden’s fault. I heard he installed the plug doors on the MAX too. Oh wait, it was DEI at Boeing that caused that, but when Trump was president and MCAS was having planes fall out of the sky, then it was just Boeing’s fault…

Dementia man bad….
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Old 01-17-2024 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
How big is the actual risk of BK, really? Any positive trends in financials?
I give it better than 50/50 we declare ch.11 within a year barring some sort of external help. We haven't reached peak parking of jets due to engine issues, lots of unknowns on the compensation from POS American manufacturer Pratt (RTX), low yields due to competition in the basic economy segment from the legacies that have better reliability.... And from what I read, $1.1 billion due in 2025 just for aircraft payments (I hope that number is wrong).

It's not good at Spirit financially.
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Old 01-17-2024 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Carebear
Looks like he did, and he was right. Couple key quotes:
  1. “The Defendant Airlines already have high combined market shares in numerous markets. As measured by metropolitan area, JetBlue and Spirit have 99 nonstop overlap routes; between 30% and 40% of JetBlue and Spirit’s nonstop routes overlap.“
  2. “The proposed merger has the potential to increase prices for customers in two ways: 1) with the elimination of Spirit from the market, consumers would no longer have Spirit’s low prices as an option; 2) with the elimination of Spirit from the market, consumers would no longer benefit from Spirit’s downward pressure on other airline’s prices.”

https://skift.com/2024/01/16/seven-k...it-merger/amp/
1. ALL but 8, yes only EIGHT, or those routes have zero barriers of entry. Any other airline can come in and provide completion if they feel it’s profitable. Only 8 of those routes are slot controlled or have gate constraints.

2. Spirit will be gone either way so that point is irrelevant.
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Old 01-17-2024 | 04:47 PM
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“We see little valuation support for Spirit in the absence of a merger," J.P.Morgan equity analyst Jamie Baker said.The best-case scenario for Spirit would be a Chapter 11 filing, followed by a liquidation (Chapter 7), according to TD Cowen analyst Helane Becker.“
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Old 01-17-2024 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Stratoliner
This ruling shouldn't leave anybody 'stunned'

So on the very surface, it wasn't difficult to predict this very outcome.
Hmmm yeah.....that's probably SAVE dropped -43% in the 7 minutes after the Judge made his decision. Using your logic SAVE would have been tanking since the trial. That was a great history lesson with US Steel and Standard Oil however the ruling was made by one man and one man alone not a 30 member board of senior felllows from the Harvard Law Review.
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Old 01-17-2024 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Carebear
The judge who struck down the merger was a Reagan appointee, but yes, everything is Biden’s fault. I heard he installed the plug doors on the MAX too. Oh wait, it was DEI at Boeing that caused that, but when Trump was president and MCAS was having planes fall out of the sky, then it was just Boeing’s fault…

Dementia man bad….
When I read he was a reagan appointee, my first thought WAS dementia...
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Old 01-18-2024 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
Hmmm yeah.....that's probably SAVE dropped -43% in the 7 minutes after the Judge made his decision. Using your logic SAVE would have been tanking since the trial. That was a great history lesson with US Steel and Standard Oil however the ruling was made by one man and one man alone not a 30 member board of senior felllows from the Harvard Law Review.
"The market can be irrational longer than you can stay liquid"

How's your investment in Theranos?
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