How are the Apps coming along? Any luck?
02-01-2024, 02:58 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Billy Tate
Roughly 48,000 legacy pilots. Not one of them has applied to Spirit. Can they all be wrong?
One lost 13 years seniority when US Airways merged with America West. I’m guessing you didn’t understand my comment.
Spirit will be bought/merged before a bankruptcy is possible simply bc how quickly a chapter 7 would transpire via a chapter 11. I also believe a bailout of sorts would be possible outcome.
02-01-2024, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CatPilot1
One lost 13 years seniority when US Airways merged with America West. I’m guessing you didn’t understand my comment.
Spirit will be bought/merged before a bankruptcy is possible simply bc how quickly a chapter 7 would transpire via a chapter 11. I also believe a bailout of sorts would be possible outcome.
Spirit will be bought/merged before a bankruptcy is possible simply bc how quickly a chapter 7 would transpire via a chapter 11. I also believe a bailout of sorts would be possible outcome.
02-01-2024, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kjrocka
For those that are leaving after 5,6,7 years, I'm interested in your perspectives that drove you to this decision. Fully aware of GTF issues, lagging demand, debt, inept management. What else am i missing? I'm sure giving up that much seniority is not a decision you come to lightly so curious how you think the next few months/years will play out. Furloughs on the horizon? Predict a mass exodus from Spirit soon if it hasn't already started?
I'm at Spirit myself, but one of the CFI -> Airbus low-time guys, so I have fewer options with only 510 hrs turbine. I'm considering leaving as well but to maybe Atlas to get a little Widebody international experience and maybe legacy after that if I don't like it. Could be fun. Sucks though...I really enjoy flying for Spirit for the most part.
Good luck to everyone making the leap. Not an ideal scenario for most I'm sure.
I'm at Spirit myself, but one of the CFI -> Airbus low-time guys, so I have fewer options with only 510 hrs turbine. I'm considering leaving as well but to maybe Atlas to get a little Widebody international experience and maybe legacy after that if I don't like it. Could be fun. Sucks though...I really enjoy flying for Spirit for the most part.
Good luck to everyone making the leap. Not an ideal scenario for most I'm sure.
For me, I got a bad feeling as soon as they announced the hiring/upgrade stoppage and NEO parking in November. I applied to United, my first choice. I finally got the invite for the Hogan Dec 30, completed it a week later, interviewing later this month.
Then, the day after the merger failed, I decided to apply off the street to jetBlue as well (I think they have a decent future once they dust themselves off and get their financials under control). They got back to me with an interview offer in, no joke, 24 hours flat. I'm interviewing there first and will call it a warm up for United, as well as my "safety school" in case United says no. Not interested in Delta. Applied to AA at the same time as UA but haven't heard from them. Also luke warm on AA; I've heard mediocre things.
But yea, I'm almost in the top 50% system seniority and it is a lot to give up. But I think this place is done.
02-01-2024, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
I'm at 4+ years, junior captain commuting to reserve. I was only staying because of the merger. I live local to NYC and really like jetBlue and their product; always have. Now that our hopes were smashed I'm getting out. No point in commuting to reserve (I F'ing hate with a passion) when I could be driving to work with any of the Big 3 and jetBlue.
For me, I got a bad feeling as soon as they announced the hiring/upgrade stoppage and NEO parking in November. I applied to United, my first choice. I finally got the invite for the Hogan Dec 30, completed it a week later, interviewing later this month.
Then, the day after the merger failed, I decided to apply off the street to jetBlue as well (I think they have a decent future once they dust themselves off and get their financials under control). They got back to me with an interview offer in, no joke, 24 hours flat. I'm interviewing there first and will call it a warm up for United, as well as my "safety school" in case United says no. Not interested in Delta. Applied to AA at the same time as UA but haven't heard from them. Also luke warm on AA; I've heard mediocre things.
But yea, I'm almost in the top 50% system seniority and it is a lot to give up. But I think this place is done.
For me, I got a bad feeling as soon as they announced the hiring/upgrade stoppage and NEO parking in November. I applied to United, my first choice. I finally got the invite for the Hogan Dec 30, completed it a week later, interviewing later this month.
Then, the day after the merger failed, I decided to apply off the street to jetBlue as well (I think they have a decent future once they dust themselves off and get their financials under control). They got back to me with an interview offer in, no joke, 24 hours flat. I'm interviewing there first and will call it a warm up for United, as well as my "safety school" in case United says no. Not interested in Delta. Applied to AA at the same time as UA but haven't heard from them. Also luke warm on AA; I've heard mediocre things.
But yea, I'm almost in the top 50% system seniority and it is a lot to give up. But I think this place is done.
Unrelated to delta but how old are you?
02-01-2024, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
I’m kind of in the same boat as you as far as being at Spirit,
about to hit the submit button to American, kinda eyeballing United not sure.
somebody else asked earlier what drove you to want to leave Spirit. and the simple truth is, it’s just a realization that there’s really no more growth with ULCC’s especially if the stupid governments gonna block this merger.
I really didn’t want to leave.. I really enjoy it here, easy job I feel like I get paid a lot of money. Sometimes, I feel like there’s just kind of something missing. Like an incomplete puzzle to me..
been deciding if that is really worth it to leave and it’s a close call, but I think in the end it needs to happen.
about to hit the submit button to American, kinda eyeballing United not sure.
somebody else asked earlier what drove you to want to leave Spirit. and the simple truth is, it’s just a realization that there’s really no more growth with ULCC’s especially if the stupid governments gonna block this merger.
I really didn’t want to leave.. I really enjoy it here, easy job I feel like I get paid a lot of money. Sometimes, I feel like there’s just kind of something missing. Like an incomplete puzzle to me..
been deciding if that is really worth it to leave and it’s a close call, but I think in the end it needs to happen.
It must be bad if our number one cheerleader is leaving!!
02-01-2024, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CatPilot1
Spirit will be bought/merged before a bankruptcy is possible simply bc how quickly a chapter 7 would transpire via a chapter 11. I also believe a bailout of sorts would be possible outcome.
Also, DoJ just showed its take on a merger. Why would another shot succeed?
02-02-2024, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
This is kind of my worst fear second to a liquidation. Leave now and spirit ends up getting acquired when things get real bad and I end up very junior to my former self has a stayed and rode it out. Total dice roll.
02-02-2024, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NotTHATJoker
Having to merge pilot groups is a disincentive to such a merger unless the core assets of the mergee far outweigh the costs...what would Spirit's unique and valuable assets be that would incentivize an interested party to forgo an asset purchase or BK auction in favor of also taking on expensive labor it could simply replace at a lower rate?
Also, DoJ just showed its take on a merger. Why would another shot succeed?
Also, DoJ just showed its take on a merger. Why would another shot succeed?
02-02-2024, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by NotTHATJoker
Having to merge pilot groups is a disincentive to such a merger unless the core assets of the mergee far outweigh the costs...what would Spirit's unique and valuable assets be that would incentivize an interested party to forgo an asset purchase or BK auction in favor of also taking on expensive labor it could simply replace at a lower rate?
Also, DoJ just showed its take on a merger. Why would another shot succeed?
Also, DoJ just showed its take on a merger. Why would another shot succeed?
2. Spirits finances will be a much bigger issue next time around and frankly should have been highlighted more in the trial w JetBlue
02-02-2024, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I loathe our current administration but I’m not sure they’d consider NK dissolving as win for the people.
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