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Old 03-26-2024 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by putzin
The reality is we had a choice to be in F9s position, $100 behind or in ours and 60 behind. Our cycles are off and we'll never catch up, so there wasn't a choice. Not too mention you have to have a NC that listens to the pilot group. They literally told us they wouldn't go back to the table because of that stupid fkn merger with jetblue.

We blew our chances for industry standard in 2018 before the extension and subsequently fd Alligent and Frontier.
You’re going to want to get something industry standard on the table asap. We have no idea what the industry is going to look like a few years from now. F9 being a cycle behind traces back to the bankruptcies. Basically last in last out with a two year extension with republic exiting bankruptcy at 0% and 2% rate increases. No work rule changes. Good luck.
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Old 03-26-2024 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver02ex
Except he wasn't at Pinnacle when they fileD for BK. He resignED and left before it happend. Pinnacle was already heading for BK long before Ted and Sean got there.
Think you need some D
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Old 03-26-2024 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
apparently not the same one as you. On your planet. you think you can get paid $60 more an hour even though we are about to be bankrupt and you think even if they give us profit it’s going to make a difference.

so let me ask you this question; in order for you get get paid out for profit sharing, don’t you think your company has to be profitable? 🤔 maybe on your planet.
It’s called pattern bargaining and it doesn’t matter what I think. Market rate for a 320 captain is pushing $400 an hour. So yes I think our union should start the 3 year process to get us this far. You are an airline pilot right?

With your thought process. Why didn’t we negotiate profit sharing and industry leading pay 10 years ago when our profit margin was the best it’s ever been?
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Old 03-26-2024 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain
I’m at least $60 an hour paid less than my peers and no profit sharing. What planet do you live on?
In order to get profit sharing, the company must make a profit and not about to furlough and delcare bankrupcy.
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Old 03-26-2024 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RBanger
So much talk about BK, but would love to hear how ya'll are arriving at these conclusions........
Was the same with the merger. The forum pros and their all mighty speculating skills.

I’ve been staying at the Marriott Dania Pointe a lot lately. There’s this neat new building / complex over here. Lots of yellow accents. Filling up with fixtures inside. Big lit up sign that says Spirit. People in and out all day.

A lot of money was sunk into this complex. Shows zero signs of a company in distress. If they were going to pull the plug, it’s not going to happen without a fight.
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Old 03-26-2024 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17
In order to get profit sharing, the company must make a profit and not about to furlough and delcare bankrupcy.

2018 we missed out on profit sharing literature. Missed out on alot of stuff.
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Old 03-26-2024 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17
In order to get profit sharing, the company must make a profit and not about to furlough and delcare bankrupcy.
Seriously, what’s your source? I’ve been through this before. Nothing really stands out to me, especially the lack of any official communications eluding to the idea of absolute insolvency, that makes BK seem imminent. Other than sensational television programming, what do you know, that many don’t?
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Old 03-26-2024 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Seriously, what’s your source? I’ve been through this before. Nothing really stands out to me, especially the lack of any official communications eluding to the idea of absolute insolvency, that makes BK seem imminent. Other than sensational television programming, what do you know, that many don’t?
Dont feed the b6 troll.
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Old 03-26-2024 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear
Dont feed the b6 troll.
sadly, it’s not just the B6 trolls, we have our own people that come over here and scream, doom and desperation and bankruptcy and furloughs, the end is near, the end is near the sky is falling, the sky is falling. I remember when they announced that they were backing out of the deal, they were two or three people that were just sure that by end of the week we were going to have declared bankruptcy and furlough announcements sent. It just absolutely blows my mind
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Old 03-27-2024 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Seriously, what’s your source? I’ve been through this before. Nothing really stands out to me, especially the lack of any official communications eluding to the idea of absolute insolvency, that makes BK seem imminent. Other than sensational television programming, what do you know, that many don’t?

Spirit hasn't made money since 2019, has lost Billions over the last couple years. Spirit has a demand problem, debt problem, attrition problem, revenue stream problem, business model problem, ugly livery problem, NEO engine problems, and worst reputation in the industry problem. You think all of a sudden the new "Transition" team will fix all of this lol. It's called transitioning into Bankruptcy . What's currently happening can only continue for so long.
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