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FlyGuy2021 06-24-2024 09:07 AM

When does the "shoe drop" at Spirit with furloughs?

Halon1211 06-24-2024 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021 (Post 3814211)
When does the "shoe drop" at Spirit with furloughs?

September 1st. 260 pilots for the FIRST round of furloughs and pilots will also be displaced.

Judge Smails 06-24-2024 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3814252)
September 1st. 260 pilots for the FIRST round of furloughs and pilots will also be displaced.

200 of those are involuntary though. 60 took voluntary furloughs.

Macjet 06-24-2024 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Busbuster (Post 3814205)
The planes flying make money, enough to cover their own expenses.

PW covers the cost of the parked planes but not lost revenue.

The problem NK is suffering from, is having the staff and facilities for 250 airplanes, and only 180 airplanes actually generating revenue. We are over staffed on crews, middle management and a useless hotel type building and empty sim bay.

Just running the AC alone is killing them.

Uh, that's been our problem for the last 5 years?

fw90 06-24-2024 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Busbuster (Post 3814205)
The planes flying make money, enough to cover their own expenses.

PW covers the cost of the parked planes but not lost revenue.

The problem NK is suffering from, is having the staff and facilities for 250 airplanes, and only 180 airplanes actually generating revenue. We are over staffed on crews, middle management and a useless hotel type building and empty sim bay.

Just running the AC alone is killing them.


sounds like poor negotiation with P&W. Boeing paid Alaska more for one door falling off than P&W is paying spirit for all of the affected planes being grounded for 2024.

PineappleXpres 06-24-2024 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by fw90 (Post 3814309)
sounds like poor negotiation with P&W. Boeing paid Alaska more for one door falling off than P&W is paying spirit for all of the affected planes being grounded for 2024.

Bad analogy, since one door parked all their Max-9s.

Busbuster 06-24-2024 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by fw90 (Post 3814309)
sounds like poor negotiation with P&W. Boeing paid Alaska more for one door falling off than P&W is paying spirit for all of the affected planes being grounded for 2024.


It’s not like NK came to the table with much leverage.

Noisecanceller 06-24-2024 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Busbuster (Post 3814205)
The planes flying make money, enough to cover their own expenses.

PW covers the cost of the parked planes but not lost revenue.

The problem NK is suffering from, is having the staff and facilities for 250 airplanes, and only 180 airplanes actually generating revenue. We are over staffed on crews, middle management and a useless hotel type building and empty sim bay.

Just running the AC alone is killing them.

Haven’t made money since 2019. Explain why we didn’t make money in 2021 and 2022 when everyone else was making billions well before the PW issues. Explain why we deferred the next 2.5 yrs of orders when they will soon start being deliver with good engines.

This business model doesn’t make money. Fixed engines isn’t going suddenly make us profitable.

Ed Force One 06-25-2024 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Busbuster (Post 3814205)

Just running the AC alone is killing them.

Maybe they should just turn on the air conditioning 10 minutes before it's time to enter the building?

GoCats67 06-25-2024 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3814252)
September 1st. 260 pilots for the FIRST round of furloughs and pilots will also be displaced.

Do you know if they have sent out the official WARN notices of furlough to the individuals or has it just been the general corporate announcement that 260 needed to be furloughed? I figure that the WARN notices would have to be out or going out very soon to meet the legal requirements of notice.


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