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BusBoi 05-28-2024 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3806309)
Im thinking it would have to be a neo. I don't think an A320 ceo has legs for that, especially with an alternate which is usual in the Bay Area. Regardless of runway length.

Ceo can do it. Jetblue runs 321Ceos between Boston and LA, but they also have lower desity and less payload. But the Ceo can do transcons with minimal issue. In the winter with an alternate it might be kinda tight.

Margaritaville 05-29-2024 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by BusBoi (Post 3806554)
Ceo can do it. Jetblue runs 321Ceos between Boston and LA, but they also have lower desity and less payload. But the Ceo can do transcons with minimal issue. In the winter with an alternate it might be kinda tight.

I meant 320s but yeah a 321 ceo can do it.

I flew a lot of older 320 ceos at Allegiant and we did a lot of transcon charters. Even the newer Sharklet 320s were pushing fuel with an alternate.

DrSteveBrule 06-03-2024 06:26 AM

Looks like the plan going forward involves senior management running for new employers.

CFO leaving in the middle of a financial crisis. The question remains...was he kindly asked to find a new employer, or does he realize how badly he helped screw this company over and is running for the hills?

Good luck, Hertz employees.

Halon1211 06-03-2024 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule (Post 3808102)
Looks like the plan going forward involves senior management running for new employers.

CFO leaving in the middle of a financial crisis. The question remains...was he kindly asked to find a new employer, or does he realize how badly he helped screw this company over and is running for the hills?

Good luck, Hertz employees.

so you’re blaming our CFO on our engine issues???

The only reason Spirit is in a tough spot is because we have a ton of planes down because of our powdered metal issue that nobody could’ve predicted.

and that issue is about to get a lot worse through next year. you can’t make a profit if a quarter of your fleet is down.

putzin 06-03-2024 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3808106)
so you’re blaming our CFO on our engine issues???

The only reason Spirit is in a tough spot is because we have a ton of planes down because of our powdered metal issue that nobody could’ve predicted.

and that issue is about to get a lot worse through next year. you can’t make a profit if a quarter of your fleet is down.

We had problems before engines issues, its compounding the problem. Personally I'd like to see ted and bendo take a hike and see somebody like BBB join the team.

DrSteveBrule 06-03-2024 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 3808125)
We had problems before engines issues, its compounding the problem. Personally I'd like to see ted and bendo take a hike and see somebody like BBB join the team.

Exactly. The gravity of the PW situation didnt even come to light until September of 2023, when every other airline was already showing some form of post-covid improvement.

So yeah, i hold senior management 100% at fault for not making money, and certainly the cfo is a big player in Spirit's failures.

8JRMfortheyear 06-03-2024 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 3808125)
We had problems before engines issues, its compounding the problem. Personally I'd like to see ted and bendo take a hike and see somebody like BBB join the team.

BBB has ALS.

Directautogroup 06-03-2024 07:55 AM

Hiring a top notch executive search firm to fill CFO. Need experience in bankruptcy debtor in possession financing and failing revenue modeling.

Halon1211 06-03-2024 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by putzin (Post 3808125)
We had problems before engines issues, its compounding the problem. Personally I'd like to see ted and bendo take a hike and see somebody like BBB join the team.

what issues does Spirit have?

The civil unrest in Haiti? Who’s fault is that?

Jacksonville center understaffed? Who’s fault is that?

failed merger? blame Biden administration, blame that Reagan appointed judge, blame the shareholders for accepting the deal.

Summer melt down?…maybe…but they actually have done leaps and bounds with their automated Crew Scheduling to help with that. (and I can’t think of the last time we had a huge huge meltdown.)

you guys know I’m not a company cheerleader by any means. And I know you are all mad because some of us are gonna have to down grade, be displaced, furloughed, but let’s be fair here!

DrSteveBrule 06-03-2024 10:32 AM

haha as if Spirit's management are the only ones to deal with those issues. Jumping head first into MIA and doubling MCO with all of that information, bailing on multiple proven markets and uprooting employees in ord dfw and dtw in the process, making the company worse-off.

If there is anything this management team is good at, it's underperforming their own forecasts and going on these quarterly calls dealing out excuses. It's always someone else's fault.


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