Upcoming Furlough Mitigation
10-24-2024 | 08:53 PM
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It's admirable ... but no thanks ... these guys and gals who got furloughed were going to jump ship the minute they could ... most if not all already have another job ... nobody is starving, and if they are, shame on them. There are plenty of opportunities still out there.
getting awfully tired of seeing everyone else assume since I’m newer I was going to use spirit as a stepping stone. My plan is to stay here, wether anyone thinks it’s smart or not. So no, not everyone is using spirit as a stepping stone.
10-24-2024 | 09:22 PM
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Trust me, it would be nice if it all came crashing down in an efficient manner, but this management team can't even f*ck up an airline properly.
10-24-2024 | 09:36 PM
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I wish it were that easy. More likely a slow meltdown followed by a merger where a lot of us live in this weird limbo land where we continually evaluate if it makes sense to leave.
Trust me, it would be nice if it all came crashing down in an efficient manner, but this management team can't even f*ck up an airline properly.
Trust me, it would be nice if it all came crashing down in an efficient manner, but this management team can't even f*ck up an airline properly.
10-24-2024 | 10:03 PM
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It's admirable ... but no thanks ... these guys and gals who got furloughed were going to jump ship the minute they could ... most if not all already have another job ... nobody is starving, and if they are, shame on them. There are plenty of opportunities still out there.
In my situation it’s either Downgrade or probably get displaced and commute, I’d much rather work something out and take a short term financial hit to stop, not only furloughs but the displacement also
Personally I’d do what I can to not only help the more vulnerable pilots on property but preserve quality of life for a majority
10-25-2024 | 04:52 AM
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In my situation it’s either Downgrade or probably get displaced and commute, I’d much rather work something out and take a short term financial hit to stop, not only furloughs but the displacement also
Personally I’d do what I can to not only help the more vulnerable pilots on property but preserve quality of life for a majority
Personally I’d do what I can to not only help the more vulnerable pilots on property but preserve quality of life for a majority
10-25-2024 | 05:13 AM
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In my situation it’s either Downgrade or probably get displaced and commute, I’d much rather work something out and take a short term financial hit to stop, not only furloughs but the displacement also
Personally I’d do what I can to not only help the more vulnerable pilots on property but preserve quality of life for a majority
Personally I’d do what I can to not only help the more vulnerable pilots on property but preserve quality of life for a majority
10-25-2024 | 05:38 AM
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You can't seriously think that pilots who pick up Y list trips are actully keeping other pilots furloughed. X list, perhaps I can see the argument. Y list would never be assigned to a reserve anyway. It's to keep the operation going, avoiding cancellations, further delays, misconnects for our customers. At the end of the day, Spirit is the one who gives us our checks. You do want them to succeed, right? Y list will help the company in the long run. I don't understand some pilots view (even some of our Union reps views) of always trying to screw the company. Especially now. An X list, outside of a 3 hour callout, could potentially go to a reserve, so agian I can see the argument there. But not a Y list.
10-25-2024 | 05:43 AM
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You're right. But you are an outlier in the group. Again, like someone else posted earlier, it's not 2001 & 2008 era where it's a mass furlough around the industry. Plenty of jobs out there that anyone can snag. Might not be the highlight of his/her career.
10-25-2024 | 05:56 AM
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Reducing hours does not generate the same cost savings as furloughs. For this reason companies almost always demand additional contract concessions to provide a equivalent overall cost savings. They also tend to want the additional changes to be permanent. Many pilots in the furlough range will tell you not to gut the contract to keep them employed. They would rather come back to a strong contract.
Furlough mitigation can be successfully negotiated especially if management feels the furlough timeline is under 2 years. You just need to be very careful to insure ironclad snapbacks are in place. You also need to be aware that when recalls start the company will use this as another opportunity to amend the contract. "We could recall a additional 150 pilots but we need some help in the scheduling section".
Furlough mitigation can be successfully negotiated especially if management feels the furlough timeline is under 2 years. You just need to be very careful to insure ironclad snapbacks are in place. You also need to be aware that when recalls start the company will use this as another opportunity to amend the contract. "We could recall a additional 150 pilots but we need some help in the scheduling section".
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