I honestly don't know.

49 furlough cancellations so far.

49 today, 60 since December 1st

That's all great news. Hopefully more to come. The 27 downgrades is right on the edge for me. Might get it, might not.

source? I haven’t seen anythhbg

Company email, which may have only been directed at people on the downgrade list.

Which is so stupid. So when it’s bad news it goes to everyone, some good news, and it’s kept from the group.

Maybe they didn't want to dangle hope to people who were close but not going to make the cut?

Anyone currently being displaced from the CA seat to the FO seat got the email. I think he’s complaining that those unaffected didn’t get the same email…

“complaining” is a stretch.

Simply stating that if jobs are being saved and downgraded are being prevented, maybe the company or ALPA should share some of the positive news. APC Spirit sub forums shouldn’t be the source of a positive note in the sinking airline.

I'm sure the company and union will say something at some point.

lmao! I worked at Allegiant for 2 years prior to my time at NK. Day trips suck ass and are extremely over rated. To each their own.

It was always amazing to me how many guys I flew with that lived a solid 30-45 mins or even more from the airport. 1.5 hours a day in their cars. Never mind the extra time and BS to get from the $hitty employee lot to the terminal then trek it all the way to the gate and back when your done.

Day trips sound great on paper. I get it. But the reality is, unless you have super easy premo trips and live 5-10 mins from the airport, it really isn’t. It’s a glorified “overnight” at home.

If you think having 18-19 off a month, but having to work a few 4 days a month sucks for me, I don’t know what to tell you lol. My QOL is exponentially improved verses “bEiNg hOmE EvErYnIgHt” 🤷🏻‍♂️

The allure of day trips is super high credit. 23 days a month off type stuff for ny-carribean turns

I think that’s what the previous comment was saying. The juice has to be worth the squeeze.

Furlough cancellation news is on the company, not ALPA. The company changes these numbers, it’s on them to report it.

I haven’t had the pleasure of doing all day trips but this is where my head is at with them. I think if you can get fat credit day trips and have a day off in between working 11 days a month they would be nice. But if you’re out here doing 11-12 hr duty/min daily credit 4 leggers consecutive days in a row every week with just enough time to scrub your balls proper in between……it’s absolutely not worth it.

Too bad SPA ALPA has already set a precedent of announcing furlough cancelations. 7/1 FastRead, titled “Furlough Cancelations”

And whenever the company implements a provision that is included in an ALPA MOU, like these cancellations, SPA ALPA should report it.

Have they? That 7/1 FastRead is a simple copy and paste of the Furlough Cancellation section from the FML MOU. Didn’t specify any numbers at all.

The 12/24 Strength in Unity email contained an updated amount of furlough cancellations (32) which included those cancelled in the first round.

You've got to have the right setup for it to be worth it, otherwise nah.

I also think that some enjoy the novelty of being gone on layovers, because they grew up thinking that is just how life would be as an airline pilot. Nothing wrong with that either.

Personally, I don't sleep quite as well in hotels as I do at home. There's always some weird noise, or the blackout shades don't cover the window properly, or someone slamming doors in the hallway. I don't have any of these issues at my home.

Day trips suck in many ways.

1. I joined this line of work to see new cities and places, AWAY from the airport. See some local sights, try a new restaurant. Not the food court of an airport, haul ass to the gate, and depart again. "Chick Fil A is near our gate, haul ass bro, I got the preflight"

2. Driving on a daily basis to/from the airport turns it into a 9 to 5 job. traffic, commute, park the car, unpark the car, shuttle van, gas, etc.

3. Four of five back to back one day trips is arguably "more labor intensive" than just a regular four day. Hop in the plane, come back 4 days later, done.

etc etc

I think 3 days are perfect, especially if you leave late on Day-1 (basically have all that morning and some of the after noon off). Those are really just 2.5 day trips

Not trying to go back and forth on opinion based statements. I was saying I think the union and company both have a responsibility to announce cancellations of furloughs, just as they announce furloughs. It’s not a policy, it’s opinion. And because the union has specifically addressed furlough cancelation language (7/1) and numbers 12/24, it would suggest they don’t only believe it’s the company’s job to announce it.

In the end, is what it is. I’m not furloughed, soon to be or being downgraded. I just felt this downtrodden pilot group could use some good news, versus the shovels of crap we have been fed the last year.

Agree on all points. SPA ALPA has been pretty quiet considering everything thats going on, but that could be in part due to everyone having a foot out the door with class dates coming up elsewhere. Wasn’t my intention to be passive aggressive, that’s my bad. It’s a very fluid situation WRT the furloughs/downgrades as I’m sure the numbers will be bouncing around until the end of the month. The union will probably put something out on the 31st if I had to guess..

To your first point, at NK we don't really stay anywhere that is worth bragging about or even exploring for that matter. 95% of the exotic and fun destinations are a quick in and out for flight crews. We can't even get off the airplane and walk around the terminal in Colombia FFS.

Zero international layovers as of mid Feb, and the bulk of our layovers for anyone not senior are in places like Romulus, MI at an airport hotel for 14 hours. Our CBA is setup so that we don't see that many long stay layovers, which are normally downtown for the few that get built into the pairings. Everything else is close to the airport.

Every so often they might build a 30 hour RNO or something like that for a month, but it's pretty rare and it never lasts.

Trust me I feel the same as you on the subject, but it's not realistic at this company.

I can either do multi day trips with 2-3 legs per day and short layovers at an airport hotel, or I can drive to my house at the end of the day.

you’re leaving out some details here. Strictly NB to NB not WB.

You’re not getting 20-23 days off on a NB doing 4 day trips. Especially if youre Jr and/or on the captain side. It’s going to be usually 14-16 days of work.

Those four day trips have coast to coast redeyes built into them. with schedules that flip flop on you.

theyre not always commutable on one or both ends.

They’re harder to swap out of them. Especially if you’re JR.

You’re stuck with the same A-hole for 4 days.

There’s plenty of 3 hour airport appreciation sits.

Aircraft swaps in the hubs, with multi leg days.

10-14 hr overnights just enough time to sh#t, shower, eat, and sleep. You know there’s only so much jerking off, watching TV, and eating hotel food you can do.

There’s usually a Decently long enough van ride, and if it’s not a super long van ride it’s in a hotel right by the airport without a ton to do.
Or, you just don’t have enough time to do anything that’s why you’re there.

A solid walk through a terminal. Demanding earlier van times. Or traffic demanding (ie. NYC.)

you gotta pack 3-4 days of food unless you wanna spend money only to become a fatso.

hotel gyms usually suck.

the woman at home is b$tching you’re never there, and how kids don’t remember you because you’ve been doing this for 20 years. But hey, maybe that’s the real reason you prefer 4 days…..

I don’t disagree that 1 vs 4 days are better or worse. But, over a 30-40 year career you’ll see the ups and downs of both.

This just... ::chefs kiss::
The hard truth that everyone who thinks they want to be a pilot should read carefully. There is nothing worse in this industry than your little kids begging you not to leave again.

day trips suck so bad that most go super senior to commuters who buy hotels in base…. Taking them from those who want the home every night QOL.

I 100% would choose day trips. I’d rather spend the 30-40 min in my own car driving to and from the airport and sleep in my bed than 30-40 min or an hour waiting for the hotel van to not show then waiting for a taxi or Uber to get to a crappy hotel that didn’t even know we were coming…. And day trips limit exposure to reschedules and general Tom foolery.

maybe make 2-3 day trip pairings credit better so those who WANT the day trips can actually get them.

I 100% would pick a min credit day trip over a higher 12 credit 2 day every time. Why we don’t do 15hr 2 days I’ll never understand.

One thing is for sure. Whenver I jumpseat on Delta or United, the crew is usually talking about their kids, ex wives, how they are missing X Y or Z, etc ,etc.

I don't deal with much of that nor do I want to. I don't care why you got into the profession, but being gone for 4 days at a time when your first kid is 4 months old isn't going to do you any favors to your wife or your family.

I prefer 1 and 2 days and high credit/day for max efficiency and time off. I have done regionals, I have done charter 8/6, I have done survey 8 months straight. The best is those good 1-2 days and sometimes a 3 day that ends at like 11am if you can find one.

Day trips are usually super senior at legacy airlines and it is that way for a reason. Being home every night is a luxury in this profession, especially making as much as we are. (not us at F9, since we are paid 49% less, but you get the point, once we get a new CBA)

Whether you prefer short or long trips, you’ll have that option at a legacy.

As someone pointed out, because of multiple fleets, it’s easier to find your niche on a narrowbody at a legacy than at a LCC.

Legacy upgrade time is about 2 years across the board, so if turns go senior and that’s what you like, it’s no more than ~ 2 years away. If you don’t get turns via PBS, you can trade into them.

Someone hired at a legacy today will be making just under $200k in 2026, and well more than that in 2027, assuming he/she opts to stay as a NB FO for the superior seniority. That’s a bit of a pay cut if you’re a captain now, but you won’t be struggling to pay your bills.

I don’t know what the future holds for spirit, and I hope good things are on the horizon, but as somebody said earlier “hope isn’t a plan”.

Everything w/b, except for the sleep cycle and foreign TV, is better. W/b FO is the best job going. Some would argue w/b FB is better.

The best job is being the 2nd Captain on a 4 man trip - no one cares what you do AND you get the SAME pay as the Captain who's responsibile. FB doesn't trust you to load the FMC, do the walk around OR make the bunks, so you go get breakfast and stay out of the way.

Trip to Asia - #1000 reserve 777 CA to #35 777 CA flying as the relief Captain - "Bob, you should be up here. I'm a reserve guy. If you want to switch we can contact dispatch." #35 Captain - "if I wanted to be up there I would have bid it."

no idea where you work but I was like 99% in base and was able to manipulate my schedule to get Christmas & NYE off. One thing I’m learning really quickly is when you work for a 17,000+ pilot airline, everyone wants different things and with that much flying, there is an incredible amount of variety. 2 leg 2-days to the Caribbean or Steamboat Springs, or Orange county (these are all sitting in OT) Day trips, commutable 3&4 days, red eyes, etc. (I also could of had a line my second month out of training ). The point is, there is a lot of flexibility when it comes to flying and the layovers are actually enjoyable. Great hotels, nice destinations and longer overnights than I’m used to. My *** is definitely flying more than I did at NK but there are a lot of ways to make it work with your home life.

I say this not to be an obnoxious jagoff but to shed some light for some guys and girls who are thinking of making the Jump and are apprehensive. The transition has been way less miserable than I thought (minus the pay, the pay hit is absolutely brutal, lol)
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lastly, for the Jersey locals. There are more day trips and 2 days in OT BY FARRRR than 3&4 day trips. Not sure if historically its always been like that at UAL

Super-senior commuters are spending coin on hotels to fly day trips (still gone from home) vs flying multi-day trips? What am I missing here?

I often bid by the number of alarm clocks I'd have to set every month. "Oh...but you can hold the 8 hr turns." Great....0500 alarm clocks. I'd rather fly the 2 day trips....day 1 - no alarm clock, golf, lunch, go to work, no alarm clock on the layover, home for a late dinner on day 2. "But that's 2 days for only 11.5 hrs. A turn would get you 8 hrs. So 8x 11.5 hr trips (zero alarm clocks, can't golf (or whatever) 8 days a month. Turns? 11 wakeups and miss 11 days of golf. Everyone's math is different. If I wanted more full days off I'd grab some turns.

Sometimes they can back to back the trips. I'd put 3 turns together and make a 23+ hr 3 day trip. Cost was 2-3 hotels. So they're trading some $$$ to build large blocks of time off or fewer commutes. Back to back 4 trips and you can have a 3 commute/12 day month, plus leading and trailing commutes(??), and a 85-95 hr month.

lol, really? Why? Sounds idiotic. to each their own i guess.

Three 6 hour turns with the 8% beats most of the three days I glance at. It comes at a cost. I live close.

I live in a less than desirable zip code, but the little dump is paid for. Ever since 9/11 I've lived as though we'll be out of business tomorrow. Some poor sap was dumb enough to ask me for career advice last year. I know it's a tired meme, but yeah, young new FO in clean pants, and a dry-cleaned shirt.

The only advice I could give him was, "How many Pastrami sandwiches are you not gonna be able to buy in ten years because you're too fancy pancy for the employee bus?" That $15 bucks added up quicker than he thought, I bet. So the bus takes more time and it sucks @ss? I only ride it with other super senior pilots, which says something. They know the game's rigged for the house, and right now Ted lives in it.

That being said, who knows, he may WB FO making more and happier now (which I truly hope) somewhere else, or trying to figure out why Home Depot isn't impressed with his Aero Sci Degree and 900 hours jet time.

Some actual, got shot at with real bullet's, Vietnam Vet also told me "Never turn down any free education", so at least the guy got a nice popular type on his ticket.

I got more old man stuff too, like "How do you know my pants are dry-clean only? Cause they're always dirty."

Uh Oh, it's getting on bedtime because Wheel of Fortune's almost on, and I'm here throwing out Pearls for free. Take my advice on this you studly muffins. Go Rogaine early.

A day of work is $2500 as a top f9 captain. If I have an extra 2 days off with turns that’s 5k. I’ll go ahead and spend the $500 for a nice own room pad and take the extra two days off or 5k. My discretion. I’ve found that’s the most efficient way to maximize $ and time off in my current situation.

Yeah, makes sense. Had a stretch of 8-day, 85-hour months: two 3-day international and one 2-day transcon. I'd die in the seat if I could do that indefinitely. That ship has sailed for now, unfortunately.

that is almost wholly inaccurate

I have yet to find someone hired in the last couple of years trading from 4, 4 days into all day trips/2 day trips. sure you can pick up day trips but to be able to have it as a set monthly schedule is just not a true statement.

I don't want to do turns out of JFK or EWR and commute in. I would love to see somone prove me wrong in bases like ATL 320 @DL or AA 320 in PHX. like c'mon bro you know that's not true.

last point, what people are getting now will be different then 1.5 years from now. Getting hired at UA in 2022 is vastly different then somone getting hired in 2025. Just because YOU can hold it, does not mean somone getting hired today will have the same trojectory.

Sleep cycle is a pretty big deal though, at least for me personally. Nothing will nuke your test levels faster than working the back side of the clock. Also it ages the crap out of you and brings about other health issues as you get older.

I suppose there's always TRT, but now that the FAA started recently cracking down on it I wouldn't be so quick to roll the dice with my medical. Hard pass.

I've done a lot of flying through the WOCL, and I feel like a completely different person when I'm sleeping at night and not fighting mother nature. YMMV on that though.