Yeah man, i just can't see myself late 40's early 50's still fighting for that bite of the apple. All the best man.

It stinks but lots of pilots have had to start over mid career. It's been a good decade so we've forgotten about the bad old days.

I’m not really understanding what’s you’re saying about the vacation thing. You start with 3 weeks of vacation at AA. 2 weeks at DL and UA.

Legacies are 5:15 average credit per day right now.

All the best to you as well!

You start accruing 3 year one for the following year. Are you saying day one of ground school you have 3 available? Also, I’m not sure how you’re getting an average with PBS? Looks like your new agreement started at 3.67 and tops at 4.58 credit per day.

Personally, I have 4 weeks (28 days) at 5 credit per day this year and assuming nothing changes till 65 that will be true till then. Just looking at UAL for example. I would give up 16 weeks of vacation till I turn 65. That and according to a recent Alpa contract comparison UAL tops at 4.25 credit per vac day.

Perhaps he means credit for vacation days. 7 days of vacation doesn't credit 35 hours

It was a good run for sure. Still ****ed off im put in this position.

I believe you might be confusing rig with vac credit on your average? Just a guess. Vacation is a separate sec and is controlling in Alpa contracts. Not sure about APA?

then Call out Sick, lol. Giving up Vacation at Nk absolutely was the worst part about leaving. All summer vacations etc. There are ways to get days off. I mean C’mon….. we’re pilots. 😂

yeah, but gives you a chance to see how the other half lives 😂.

listen, (especially with a family) leaving the money and seniority was absolutely brutal BUT, there are significant upsides. It’ll be aight

intermittent Fmla works well. lol. I’m not trying to convince anyone of staying or going. That’s why I mentioned just a consideration.

nah I hear you. It really is the brutal reality. I’ll
never have it as good as I had it schedule wise at NK. There is simply no comparison. Just saying there are ways to mitigate the pain and suffering. I blocked like 50hrs from June 1 to Sep 1 😂😂. I used to do one Legger EWR-MYR Y-LIST for what I make my entire month at UAL. Ahhh the Good old Days!

Thanks brother, excited for the new chapter.

yeah, just dial down the “at XYZ, we did it this way stuff” and that would be great!

not our fault the average NK pilot knows the Bus better than UAL instructors 😂

The average F9 or NK dude blows away 99% of Big-3 airbus line dudes (not their fault....gentlemanly AQP) and recites overhead panel knowledge in his sleep

ask Big-3 "what triggers" the RAT to come out and you will get deer in the headlights

gotta love it

don’t say that to a Delta pilot.

“beyond these walls are the world’s greatest pilots”

that is AA

and they took the sign down a few years ago

Nobody cares. Nobody.

At big-3 every type is just a stepping stone until the next system bid. Most don't get that intimate with them.

because Delta, UA, AA have no pilots who have been 10, 15 years on one airplane, and have been to recurrent and taken checkrides annually.

ok that checks

1997-1999 - 727SO
1999-2007 - 767FO
2007-2008 - 777FO
2008-2015 - 767FO
2015-2016 - 747FO
2016-2021 - 777FO
2021 - today 767CAP

only 18 years(ish) on the 767

RAT disabled on the ground
Arms above 80knots
deploys in the event of dual engine failure
provides adequate hyd power above 130 knots
Can manually deploy by pushing the button (yes that works on the ground so don't F with that switch)

I fly with many FOs that have been here 6,8,10 years, with all of that time on the 767. I have also seen many take the first 737 or A320 Cap bid they could get. The cool thing about having a large varied fleet is that you have options. That doesn't mean everyone is going to choose the same path though. That benefits us all, case in point, there are still many 787/777 FOs that are senior to me and I am 43% in my base as a 767 Captain. Everybody has whatever choice their seniority can hold, some choose to exercise that for the biggest highest paying position, others choose to stay super senior in their current seat, most some middle ground, but either way more choices for everybody means it is easier for more of us to be happy with where we are. That is the real benefit of the larger airlines. Much easier to get to different seats that work for your QOL needs based on your own personal situation. When your personal situation changes, you still have the wide variety of choices you had before, you just may choose a new one.

And yes, having done both Appendix H and AQP, AQP is much more gentlemanly.

I’ve never seen a newhire probie bash his company as much as you have on this forum. You should have stayed at spirit. Your heart is there and you are not making the transition well.

Over the years I’ve flown with tons of ex something pilots (EAL, TWA, AWA, US, EK, etc) none have had their eyes in the rear view mirror as much as you have. If it was a utopia at spirit you should never have left your position there. I bet by day 3 your captains have had enough.

Good grief you have no idea how he is at work and likely no idea who he is in real life. He doesn’t come across as bashing his new employer at all.

It was tongue-in-cheek.

I’ve read plenty of his posts and many lean back to how much better life was a spirit. Pretty sure he shares a name with a famous sitcom character.

I mean.. he did give up about a decade of seniority where his QOL was better. Anyone making that transition would also reminisce of their QOL. Doesn’t mean he isn’t grateful to be here. Having read his posts as well, he certainly has mentioned that he’s grateful and how much he’s lucky to be here.

The reality is that MANY Spirit folks would still be at Spirit if it weren’t for their current situation and management. No one faults them, it is what it is and it’s part of the industry

Love United and happy to be here but I will always be a cheerleader for NK. It was a phenomenal place with a great group of people. And yeah, it is a painful transition at mid forties with 4 kids going from Senior CA at $312/hr to bottom 99% At $120/hr. That has everything to do with Seniority. This is by no means “bashing”, it’s called reality. Anyway, you have my phone number be happy to chat about it 👍

former Spirit pilots are like Mexicans that moved to the USA…

…even though we moved to a better place, we very much like to brag about where we came from and are proud of our heritage.

Same boat, brotha. I’m glad I made the move, but it does sting a bit. NK was nothing short of amazing for the pilots. Great group of people. I would be happy to help out anyone I can. Come on over…but the grass isn’t always greener. Many things I miss about Nk, but the crew meals make up for it😂😂.

Bashing UA...really? He literally made a post where he said the move was less painful than he imagined - and he gave up a lot! I'm sure he didn't want to leave - why would he? But... you may have heard a little bit about the state of Spirit...

Relax, Chet. Pretty sure 99% of the posts here aren't 100% reflective of face to face communication. You know, the internet... I'm pretty sure I've flown with you before. You're the guy who's great as long as I sit for 4 days and say, "oh cool, yup, uh huh, really, I didn't know that", etc while listening to you ramble on never once asking anything about me.

probably because this is in the spirit forums?

I remember reading all his United bashing way back from him. I guess his time at Express Jet tainted him. Must have cleaned that social media profile up before his interview at United.

Like your chat with Dan Gryder? 😂

Why do you care so much? This is a job, not a religion...

FFS some of yall need a hobby or a hot side piece

not a religion??? Go read the Breezie boys forum.

Can we get a Spirit flag to hang from the rear view

United is the better company, no discussion. But NK was a great company for the pilots with seniority (last contract wiped out QOL for reserve pilots). Trading single digit captain in base for triple digit bottom FO is a big step, especially at my age. What hurts: the pay cut, but mostly the fact that I know I should have tried to get out as soon as the merger talks started. Told everyone to leave, and everyone listened except me.
January line was 21 legs, 18 crew meals, #jeffreydahmer. And starting February, I wont have to commute for the first time in over 2 decades.

I flew the bus for over a decade at NK and I will admit that I learned things that I never knew before about it, while in training at United! The standard of instruction is very high and anyone that comes in with the belief that they can’t be taught anything more than they learned at NK, is kidding themselves! The guys I fly with on this fleet are by and large, a great bunch! Happy to be here!!

fantastic idea - ill have them made and leave them secretly in the base crew rooms in order to keep my anonymity! 😂😂