I left last month, after much deliberation and talking to people I trust on both sides of my dilemma came to a conclusion. Happy with the choice as of now, as the only thing that I have removed from my stress level was the cloud of uncertainty with Spirits future. I replaced that cloud with another one of commuting, bottom of seniority and qol hit. Not trying to chug the new coolaid, but have been very pleasantly surprised so far vs initial at NK. I have many friends still at Spirit, some still considering leaving, some trying to leave and some staying put. I wish nothing but the best for all of them in their own situations and hope they get to choose what works best for each on of them. Spirit could become the most profitable airline, with the best contract etc and I would be ecstatic and so happy for my buddies and never have any ill will for them. Pilots that get off on hoping for someone’s demise are true sh*tbags. For the others that think they know each unique situation on what others should do, advice/input is different than insulting one’s decision. Well said 69

It’s both sides. For every pilot who is leaving and telling people “you need to leave”, there are pilots telling those who are leaving “what!? Why are you leaving and giving up all that seniority?!”

I left and had plenty of coworkers tell
me all about the “seniority” I’m giving up, how I won’t “get the same trips” any longer, and how “the work rules are so bad at other airlines”. Trust me, it gets just as old as someone being told they are “stupid” if they don’t leave.

And of course there are plenty who WANT to leave, can’t for various reasons, and just love to hate on those who are/have.

I think people want validation for whatever choice they make even if and to some especially if that means people who made the opposite decision suffer harm. That would further validate their decision.

human nature can be ****ed up

I nearly had to tell an FO with a legacy class date to **** when he wouldn't stop harping on me to follow in his footsteps.

I'm always happy to hear about people moving on when they share that information, but some feel the need to take it a step further and get all up in everyone's cherrios about why they're choosing to stick around.

NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS

LOL No way but that was very nice of you.

The mere fact that one needs to justify either decision on APC or in the cockpit speaks volumes. Maybe reading some self help books or self worth books might come in handy as well.

This is human nature in most professions as well. When in the military, whenever talking to your boss (who is in for at least 20yrs career or they wouldn't be boss), the correct answer is your staying in the military till your Admiral or General. Any answer of "I'm considering getting out and doing something else" immediately marks you as rejecting THEIR selected career path.

Probably because F9 needs NK to ensure its survival or at least have some long term security. Bigger seems to be better in this industry. Ironically if there is a merger there would be less competition but at this point there’s no way a merger won’t be approved

:D So true.

I remember I made a comment about getting out one time in front of my DO, he was like, "You can't say that in front of me!" Ooops.

Very true and the validation will come in 10, 20 or 30 years when one retires. Good times and bad, this career is a crapshoot and there are no guarantees.

Im pretty sure you don’t understand that there are no pieces to sell. Everything we “have” has near zero equity and is all heavily leveraged. You sell those pieces and you get a couple bucks. Most of the fleet is leased so if you liquidate those jets go back to the lessor and released on the open market at much much higher rates than what spirit is currently paying. Order book goes back to Airbus to put on the open market in whatever delivery schedule they want to negotiate with new buyers.

Contrary to your thesis Spirit ONLY has value as a package. The parts are worth nothing.
You buy the package and you get a plug and play HQ/training facility, a fleet of fairly new airbuses at much cheaper lease rates than current market. Some of which are being paid for by P&W to help ease your transition into the new jets. You get a portion of the fleet that’s “owned” and leveraged but with a little equity in them. Some LGA slots, half of the FLL market. It all comes with some debt and some stake holders wishing to get their money back, and next to zero stock that you’d normally have to pay a major premium for.

You sell it in pieces and it all goes on the open market at much higher cost but the current owners don’t get much payback bc none of it has equity and the jets go back to the lessors. Their motivation to sell for parts would be next to nil and a buyer that wants jets won’t get any discount waiting for pieces when they can inherit spirits current lease rates which are much cheaper

I think the point of his post wasn’t to make a salient point as much as to be an acehole.

Any updates on attrition numbers this month so far?

Was told it’s over 80 already as of last week.

Whoa! Thanks

81 Soon ...

It would be nice if this helps our furloughed brothers and sisters get recalled sooner rather than later !

Any ideas when those recalled pilots are expected to be recalled ? seems like with attirition this high if they dont sell more aircraft spirit will need to start new hires again

More aircraft are.expdcted to be parked over the summer for NEO issues so this may just keep there from being furlough again.

Source of this great news and details please?

This has always been part of the reason for the original furlough. The statement is not referring to additional and doesn’t really make sense. Right now x amount of aircraft are parked. The average amount will be increasing through 2025. Nothing has changed.

The question is, what sort of attrition did those that make the plan moving forward, factor into the amount needed to furlough.

The furloughs are for next year numbers.

Currently in the high twenties for parked NEO’s, peaking during summer at around 50 before stabilising and slowly decreasing the rest of the year.

Source: Ted’s video he released last month.

can't find a fleetplan on ir.spirit anymore, what is the current fleet size?

I got that, my reading comprehension isn’t the best. I was thinking the OPs post was referring to “more” than the 50 or so that are planned for the summer already.

https://www.planespotters.net/airlin...ines?refresh=1


30 parked 194 total i believe we are receiving 5 321s this year we already received 1 this month

Thanks filler

Does this list include the 23 a320 and a321 aircraft approved for sale in December?

yes filler

They’re already gone as of January, so 194 is current fleet number.

Source is the company itself. A high of 50 NEO parked during the summer with a 2025 running average of 40. 15 320 CEO and 8 321 CEO to leave the flleet in the next few months.

I understand the last 319 left the fleet in January, which matches the q3 2024 fleet plan. The 320/321 deal wasn't even approved by the judge until Christmas week of 2024. Does anyone know which 320/321 tail numbers were sold?

NK reached a peak of 64 A320 CEO and 30 A321 CEO. Currently 49 / 22


A total of 7 321 NEO to be delivered for 2025.


Current A320 NEO / A321 NEO in the fleet. 91 / 28

All the 320 CEO sold were sharklet.

Any idea or news when gates and slots will be sold?

The tail #'s I've been told are:

320's-

632, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 647, 649, 650, 691, 692, 693, 694, 695, and 696.

321's-

657, 658, 673, 674, 675, 678, 681, and 682.

It's sad for me. I flew many of these birds on their first logbook, brand new, seats hadn't even been broken in with farts.... Sigh... 😔

Were they SOLD and TRANSFERRED to another company for their own operation? Or SOLD for leaseback purposes? Can’t quite keep up. I didn’t think any of these aircraft were leaving the fleet. Just essentially used as equity to raise cash.

These aircraft were sold to GA Telesis for PCS.

Right. So still yellow and flown by NK pilots? And unless someone read these comments, it’s business as usual.

These aircraft are no longer flying for Spirit. Check FlightAware for each tail #.

All 23 are gone, last one left in January along with the last A319 and 230 pilots. So no, not business as usual.

I knew that certain tails were sold back for leaseback purposes. I wasn’t aware they eliminated 321s from the fleet. Guess that’s why we are here. Learn me some more.