Ahhh…someone’s mad they share the same seniority with a 23 year old chick.

 

Nope. I made a conscious choice. I still have plenty of friends at NK and hope it works out for everyone. I don’t trust the leadership. I should’ve seen it earlier, like my FOs and left when they did. Usually this forum has some adults in the room and not just children like you. Sometimes people need a nudge in the right direction, to see what’s going on right in front of them. This is my only reason for posting. You obviously have a reputation for inane comments which are commensurate with your level of intellect. I’ll make this my last post on this forum, as people like you have clearly lowered the collective IQ around here…

 

hey I don’t mean to **** in your cheerios but this was my experience. I came to NK for a short time, and I loved the QOL. The crews, layovers, etc was great! I thought twice about leaving just because of how happy I was with my QOL. That being said, I was also tired of hearing 10+ senior captains complain about FOs coming to NK to “get a type” and leave. They would even treated me like I didn’t know what I was doing in the airplane half the time. I got comments all the time like “so when are you leaving”… I had some conversations with many captains showing them how moving to a legacy carrier would be a better choice in the long run than staying at NK. As much as I loved NK, it was flawed. The model was flawed. The leadership was flawed. I showed captains the math on paper and I was laughed at. Many told me that the they knew for a fact NK would never disappear. Some told me I was dumb for jumping ship.
I struggled leaving at first cus I really enjoyed it there. Many times I thought I had made a mistake leaving. Funny thing, many of my colleagues that left, some felt like I did. But at the end of the day the math didn’t add up and I knew that eventually things would be better seniority wise and QOL wise at a different company… just took patience. I was as even called by two CPs before I left trying to convince me to stay. Saying that going to AA or DL was a massive mistake. They change their tune when they saw I was leaving to brown.
either way, many people were unkind to new FOs cus “you came here as a stepping stone”. I sure hope NK survives, it’s an awesome place. But if it doesn’t, I hope all those people who talked smack about so many FOs leaving will eat their words now. It’s aviation and nothing lasts forever, even I know that at brown.

 

To be fair, a lot of those CAs were flying with historically low time FOs who felt like they were God's gift to the aviation community because they practically skipped over the hardships of the more normative regional pilot life, and they had no problem making it known to the CAs they flew with.

It wasn't all of them by any means, but a good number of them felt like their unprecedented career progression was due to their own merits for some reason, and there was a severe sense of entitlement for them being "owed" a legacy class date instead of trying to become a better crew member at NK.

I flew with several like this and it sucked. Yeah I could have involved pro standards but with the rate of attrition it was just better to let it go because they were soon to be someone else's problem at xyx legacy.

 

I've been a NK captain for two years, flown with lots of junior, low time pilots, and I haven't had anyone who was arrogant or anything like that. All good people, they realize they're inexperienced, and I enjoy mentoring and helping them along.

 

2 whole years? Wow. Half joking, but…

The last 2 years have been a lot of ex CFI FOssnd I’ve found them to have great attitudes. They come in acknowledging they are grateful to be there and open to learning. These pilots don’t have the competitive mins for the legacy airlines so them “bailing” was never an option.

I think what the other guy was referencing was the wave before that; lots of 1-2 year regional FOs who have it “all figured out” in the right seat. These seems to have been a little more difficult. Those were the ones who were more than vocal about leaving, which is fine, but I don’t care about your future at XYZ if you can’t work the radios here in a yellow Spirit plane. Only issues I’ve ever had in over 10 years as a CA here were those FOs, with CJOs at a legacy, and have checked out here at NK and their job as a first officer

 

I like flying with captains like you who enjoy mentoring but sometimes not all FOs want to be mentored all the time. That sometimes turns into dictation and it gets annoying. I started at NK along with all the CFI during the wave but this was not my first job. After professionally flying for years I was shocked to see how some reserve captains just assumed that I do not know anything (and I could have been a j**k and reminded them i am typed in the airplane as well, but mostly as a new FO i just took it). Flying was turning less of a fun when a CA just sits there telling you what to do at each step before you do it (even though you know what to do). It took me a few months to start being annoying and start talking nonstop about my littlest thing i am thinking about and or going to do next in advance before they tell me what my next step should be 5 miles out. I’m all about CRM and mentoring and doing things the right way but dictation of every single aspect of my duties is something I don’t accept. Lately it’s been better but only ever had issues with reserve CA treating like i am a pax. Never had any issues with line holders. I am sure they probably had some bad experiences from new FOs but you cannot treat everyone alike based on the date they were hired.

 

I’d post a pic to explain this post, but googling United 767 hard landing is quicker.

 

“I’m typed in this plane too” Haha. That’s some arrogance man. Everyone is typed, doesn’t mean you know what you don’t know. We were all new, all behind the plane, never did I get angry and think my type rating and 400 hours in type was equivalent to the guy next to me and the thousands in type they have.

 

I never got angry and never thought it was equivalent either. I just said the things that annoyed me and I overcame the problem by announcing every single move I make well in advance. If the CA disagreed then I am all ears and eager to learn the reason behind it. But I did work hard to learn the airplane so assuming I don’t know anything right of the bat is something I didn’t like. Doesn’t mean I was arrogant or disrespectful. I politely and respectfully handle the situation and try my best to not hurt any egos. It is annoying but as an FO you deal with it. And around 90% CA I flew with were awesome. It’s the 10% that treated me like that. And lately that percentage has significantly reduced.