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Old 05-18-2025 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Absolutely nothing. There was a bit of communication for a little while there about new products and marketing as well as town hall stuff etc. Seemed like there was some potential for success. But I think it all failed sadly. Can’t give away big fronts or even an exit row.

Talking to union reps only makes things seem even more grim. Management is focused on more of a militant approach to enforcement. Looking for reasons to discipline.

So basically all the signs of what anyone that’s been through the final stages of the life span of an airline. Really hope that I’m wrong about my overall feel though.
This is blatantly false
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Old 05-18-2025 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
This is blatantly false
then elaborate
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Old 05-18-2025 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
This is blatantly false

I’d say it at least half true
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Old 05-18-2025 | 11:13 PM
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I’d say it at least half true
Could be, but nobody knows for sure outside of the C suite.

The other part about excessive disciplinary action is straight up not true. Pilots are getting in trouble for calling out sick upon notification of an assignment while sitting short call reserve. I would hardly call that militant enforcement.

That's a big no-no at any airline.
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Old 05-19-2025 | 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
Could be, but nobody knows for sure outside of the C suite.

The other part about excessive disciplinary action is straight up not true. Pilots are getting in trouble for calling out sick upon notification of an assignment while sitting short call reserve. I would hardly call that militant enforcement.

That's a big no-no at any airline.
Not to dig into the reason behind why the company started going after guys but yes, it would seem that due to an increase in pilots abusing their sick time, the company has started to essentially NOI the vast majority of sick calls. Regardless of when the sick call was executed or why. This IS a form of disciplinary action. An increase from the norm. Talk to rep. Unless they are intentionally giving out bad info.
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Old 05-19-2025 | 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
This is blatantly false
Which part is “false”? My own observations and data to support it? In this case I really don’t mind being wrong. In fact I’m hopeful you can present something to counter the claim here.
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Old 05-19-2025 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Which part is “false”? My own observations and data to support it? In this case I really don’t mind being wrong. In fact I’m hopeful you can present something to counter the claim here.
Who said the premium offerings were unsuccessful. In fact I’d say the shift from the blocked center to more leg room in 7 rows is most likely a result of them now having data that more people are willing to pay more for a more premium product
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Old 05-19-2025 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
Could be, but nobody knows for sure outside of the C suite.

The other part about excessive disciplinary action is straight up not true. Pilots are getting in trouble for calling out sick upon notification of an assignment while sitting short call reserve. I would hardly call that militant enforcement.

That's a big no-no at any airline.
I'll just say this, what do they expect? If someone is sick and not fit for duty, nobody is calling out sick before being activated, burning sick time with possibly not being used. With zero drops or any flexibility of reserve pilots, nobody should be shocked when pilots use the sick call if needed.

Some other airlines use a "sick if needed" policy; you call in sick and are only hit with the sick time if you were to be activated. It helps scheduling automatically skip a sick pilot and onto the next, prevents pilots from having to use sick time vs maybe not getting called, and ends the dog and pony show of sick calls as float vacation.

In the end, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Make it difficult on pilots to have flexibility while on reserve and this is what you get. CBA allows for sick calls fro any medical reason for you and/or family, so if a pilot uses the CBA correctly, let them NOI them all, its a scare tactic.

And finally, this is a company whose management has ran everyones career into the mountain, the can file for liquidation tomorrow and all that sick time is gone. Good for any pilot that is bringing some of that money home before it could be too late. These fools destroyed our careers, they get everything coming to them.
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Old 05-19-2025 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Which part is “false”? My own observations and data to support it? In this case I really don’t mind being wrong. In fact I’m hopeful you can present something to counter the claim here.
I have nothing to counter. You are the one who made the claim that the new products seem to be failing, and I called you out on it because there is no data to support that theory. At least that I am aware of, but I will happily eat my own words if you can point to a metric that proves this to be true.



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Old 05-19-2025 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
I have nothing to counter. You are the one who made the claim that the new products seem to be failing, and I called you out on it because there is no data to support that theory. At least that I am aware of, but I will happily eat my own words if you can point to a metric that proves this to be true.
Would an increase in the number of checked bags be an indication of sales of the “premium” packages? I have been on leave for 2 years, but have heard reports of a small increase in bags on the W&B. Not sure what else would contribute to that.
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