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Old 08-22-2025 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Yes..per day. Corrected. Crazy how even more insane it is when you think of $3m per day. It's like the mob lending money at 5 points a WEEK. They dont care about the principle, they will just get their money back on points.
really hope the spirit pilot group lands on their feet after this whole thing is said and done. One way or another. What a mess.
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Old 08-22-2025 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
To be fair it says "up to" $3m per day, and only until their exposure is fully collateralized. It doesn't say what that top end number is.
Spirit had $11.3M per day of revenue in Q2. They had $13M per day of costs. Its "up to $3M" but its likely they will just take the $3M until they get to where they can cover all outstanding future bookings. So how is Spirit going to cover $13M per day of costs when its effectively only taking in $8.3M in actual revenue? This is a $5M per day shortfall.
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Old 08-22-2025 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Spirit had $11.3M per day of revenue in Q2. They had $13M per day of costs. Its "up to $3M" but its likely they will just take the $3M until they get to where they can cover all outstanding future bookings. So how is Spirit going to cover $13M per day of costs when its effectively only taking in $8.3M in actual revenue? This is a $5M per day shortfall.
I think all of this is a set up for bankruptcy. Anything we offer in bankruptcy is more than they will get if we close our doors.
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Old 08-22-2025 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
I think all of this is a set up for bankruptcy. Anything we offer in bankruptcy is more than they will get if we close our doors.
Which is exactly why the plane lessors have started to shop the planes elsewhere in the event of another Ch11 filing. Maybe they find another buyer interested if the planes become available and then the aircraft lessors dont need to take a haircut in court on them.

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Old 08-22-2025 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Spirit had $11.3M per day of revenue in Q2. They had $13M per day of costs. Its "up to $3M" but its likely they will just take the $3M until they get to where they can cover all outstanding future bookings. So how is Spirit going to cover $13M per day of costs when its effectively only taking in $8.3M in actual revenue? This is a $5M per day shortfall.

Yea, not saying it's good. As someone said earlier you can typically challenge a transaction and get a chargeback for 60 days. So the CC processor would need basically 60 days' worth of Spirit pax money. If we figure all that $11.3m comes from pax, $11.3m times 60 days is $678m total. Divided by $3m a day and that's 226 days of holdback they would need to cover 60 days of pax chargebacks.
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Old 08-22-2025 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
I think all of this is a set up for bankruptcy. Anything we offer in bankruptcy is more than they will get if we close our doors.
You are assuming Ch 11 and not liquidation.
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Old 08-22-2025 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Which is exactly why the plane lessors have started to shop the planes elsewhere in the event of another Ch11 filing. Maybe they find another buyer interested if the planes become available and then the aircraft lessors dont need to take a haircut in court on them.
How could they possibly sell planes that are unusable for the foreseeable future?
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Old 08-22-2025 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
How could they possibly sell planes that are unusable for the foreseeable future?
Im not talking about grounded NEOs
As reported by the CNBC article, lessors are shopping all planes under lease for Spirit. If NK files CH11, again, the plane lessor doesn’t need to renegotiate to Spirits terms and can ask the judge to move those planes to a carrier in waiting

or if they file Ch7, they have airlines ready for the planes.

Even ol Barry Biffle put a video out about Spirits assets coming on the market. Which I do find ironic that he would be talking about the demise of one ULCC, as his own ULCC has issues at hand too…whistling through the graveyard.
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Old 08-22-2025 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Im not talking about grounded NEOs
As reported by the CNBC article, lessors are shopping all planes under lease for Spirit. If NK files CH11, again, the plane lessor doesn’t need to renegotiate to Spirits terms and can ask the judge to move those planes to a carrier in waiting

or if they file Ch7, they have airlines ready for the planes.

Even ol Barry Biffle put a video out about Spirits assets coming on the market. Which I do find ironic that he would be talking about the demise of one ULCC, as his own ULCC has issues at hand too…whistling through the graveyard.
Gotcha. Heard Spirit is trying to get out of some leases anyway. “Heard” meaning absolutely nothing, but perhaps there is a scenario where both parties win
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Old 08-22-2025 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
To be fair it says "up to" $3m per day, and only until their exposure is fully collateralized. It doesn't say what that top end number is.
From the latest 10-Q

The maximum potential exposure to cash holdbacks by the Company's credit card processors, based upon advance ticket sales and Spirit Saver$ Club
memberships as of June 30, 2025 and December 31, 2024, was $491.6 million and $469.2 million, respectively.

So 960.8 million dollars.

Spirit already have 200 + 50 set aside + another 50 now = 300 million

Worst case scenario 660.8 million......


This deal bought the company 30-60 days.

Davis gonna need to come up with more cash somehow....
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