I don't know man, I think the other poster has a point.

I am also starting over and trying to explain to people what is actually happening always leaves them what a strange look of concern on their face.

They (the customer) would much rather prefer to have the more experienced pilot sitting in the left seat.

I know I know, seniority and all, but the rest of the world in every other industry heavily weighs experience.

Maybe it's time we change that before another lesson is learned in blood.

 

Never said there wasn’t. I’m merely saying when somebody says I made more at X vs Y that is useless without the time cost. That is a huge factor depending on where you are in life.


I don’t doubt it. I’m glad it’s a good time in the industry to make the change for the Spirit team members that do leave. Things could have been much much worse. Happy New Year

 

According to Federal Law (McCaskill Bond) if over 50% of an airline is purchased in any way including 363 sales, and they have unionized employees, the acquiring airline is required by law to do a seniority integration. Once that is done those employees have a right to work at the acquiring company because of their seniority.

 

If MB says that specifically about 363, then it would apply. I just don't see MB language that says assets transferred via 363 trigger the requirement.

363 exists for the express purpose of transferring stuff unencumbered. A carve out would defeat the whole purpose.

You can't just read 363 into the MB language. I think it would need to be stated specifically.

 

this post is ignorant and rife with jealousy.

what is your definition of experienced and at what point do the industry pilots adorne you with your “experienced” members only jacket?

Yesterday I rode on a United 321 with a VERY junior CA and it was one of the most professional flight decks I had ever sat in. He was former military then JetBlue for a couple years (FO) then United. If I had been line Checking him it would have been significantly above average. He mentored his new hire FO well and I am glad he is a United Captain.

One of my best friends was a 5 year Spirit CA then came to United and upgraded on the Airbus within 2 years. He has told me the stories of the **** he has been given about being unsafe and inexperinced because of his seniority number not his background.

you know who is also not experienced? The 25 year 777 FO who no thinks it’s time to be a 777 CA……or is he experienced because of his seniority number?

So are you basing experience off of a seniority number when you talk you your friends that give you a funny look? Or do you follow that up with Many of United’s new hires have been CAs at regionals or other airlines they are just new to United?

Probably not the second one because that would just show your jealousy and ego flaws.

 

The laziest most checked out and unhelpful FO I have flown with was years senior to me.
The only FO I’ve had to ask to stop doing something (unsafe and not procedurally correct) had been at the regionals for 15+ years.

Seniority isn’t everything you make it out to be.

 

No one is arguing low seniority on a list is an indicator of inexperience. But damn dude, if people are telling this pilot he is unsafe, I doubt that has anything to do with having a low seniority number. If other pilots are concerned with the safety of their flying and they’re not understanding this is a problem maybe it’s time for pro standards. Second post by a United pilot concerning the competence of their pilots.

 

funny you should say that because many people on this very board INCLUDING the pilot I responded too have said just that without even knowing the experience level of our CAs.

look in the mirror buddy YOU are the one that needs a pro standards call.

 

Your fellow pilots are calling him out for being unsafe, how does this have anything to do with seniority?

 

no it’s not the pilots he’s flying with. It’s the pilots he doesn’t know and have never worked with him

it’s the dense jealous damaged ego senior pilots who wish their careers had been better. Like yourself!!