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Old 01-01-2026 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If MB says that specifically about 363, then it would apply. I just don't see MB language that says assets transferred via 363 trigger the requirement.

363 exists for the express purpose of transferring stuff unencumbered. A carve out would defeat the whole purpose.

You can't just read 363 into the MB language. I think it would need to be stated specifically.
I'm saying if they take employees, they have to integrate them via an SLI. They don't have to take employees in a 363 sale. My guess is any acquiring airline will need time to reconfigure and have those planes placed on the acquiring airline's operating certificate whatever assets and they will be out of service for a while. Also since the entity won't likely be bought intact, those planes will move over to the acquiring airline's operating certificate which means those employees have to be trained again by the new airline.

If an acquiring airline brings over employees, then MCB requires they do a seniority integration. This makes it likely they will just offer preferential interviews, etc.

Even buying Spirit intact via 363 sale would require SLI because you'd have to bring employees if its going to operate separately until being integrated and I think this is what a lot of NK Pilots have stated for their reason to stay. They are hoping to "jump ahead" in a new seniority list instead of starting at the bottom of it. Which is what I'd do being in the single digit seniority percentage at my airline with only 5 years to go.
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Old 01-01-2026 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
funny you should say that because many people on this very board INCLUDING the pilot I responded too have said just that without even knowing the experience level of our CAs.

look in the mirror buddy YOU are the one that needs a pro standards call.
No harm no foul, but this whole thing started after a post from a United FO stating exactly that (inexperienced CAs), and has since been deleted apparently. But you can see it for yourself quoted below:

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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I was pretty lazy at NK and though true for first year, I'l make 2nd year what I made as a 12 Year CA before I left, and most certainly more than I would have with the Jan 1 Concessionary new pay rate. The only major concession is being an F/O to some pretty inexperienced CAs but that's more of an Ego thing than anything else, lol. So yes, the first 12 months were tough financially but the schedule I have now is superior to anything I ever had at NK, I'm sure mostly because I was ACY Based.

Let’s hope the chickens don’t come home to roost again as they did a couple of years ago. The flying public needs to get a load of this statement. Woowzers.

But don't worry, it's just a thought. No need to go reporting people to pro standards.

Go outside and get some fresh air brah

Happy new year
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Old 01-01-2026 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SterileMan
No one is arguing low seniority on a list is an indicator of inexperience. But damn dude, if people are telling this pilot he is unsafe, I doubt that has anything to do with having a low seniority number. If other pilots are concerned with the safety of their flying and they’re not understanding this is a problem maybe it’s time for pro standards. Second post by a United pilot concerning the competence of their pilots.
I think this poster just wants to argue with people
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Old 01-01-2026 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jack3d
I think this poster just wants to argue with people
no this poster is just calling out your hypocrisy and unfounded belief that United is unsafe and that (in your words) “will be learned in blood”.

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Old 01-01-2026 | 11:42 AM
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[QUOTE=jack3d;3987390]No harm no foul, but this whole thing started after a post from a United FO stating exactly that (inexperienced CAs), and has since been deleted apparently. But you can see it for yourself quoted below:

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But don't worry, it's just a thought. No need to go reporting people to pro standards.

Go outside and get some fresh air brah

Happy new year
you simply stopped reading at what you highlighted the very next part of that red highlight is “that’s more of an ego thing”.

Chimpy has been around a long time most CAs are probably inexperienced compared to him. He simply admits his fault and you take it and run with it as United CAs suck.

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Old 01-01-2026 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
no this poster is just calling out your hypocrisy and unfounded belief that United is unsafe and that (in your words) “will be learned in blood”.
United was very close to ‘learning in blood’ a couple years ago several times due to accelerated growth. Luckily the Feds stepped in and saved United from Kirby.
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Old 01-01-2026 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SterileMan
United was very close to ‘learning in blood’ a couple years ago several times due to accelerated growth. Luckily the Feds stepped in and saved United from Kirby.
What was the result of that Fed audit?

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ew-2024-10-02/
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Old 01-01-2026 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Freds Ex
What was the result of that Fed audit?

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ew-2024-10-02/
what was occurring was occurring that led to the audit is what matters. Do you really think a US government agency is going to put one of our premier Airlines on blast to the rest of the world? No they’re not. just like any other country isn’t gonna do it to their own airline, they’ll handle it internally. Hell, most countries do their best to keep things quiet to save face.
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Old 01-01-2026 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SterileMan
what was occurring was occurring that led to the audit is what matters. Do you really think a US government agency is going to put one of our premier Airlines on blast to the rest of the world? No they’re not. just like any other country isn’t gonna do it to their own airline, they’ll handle it internally. Hell, most countries do their best to keep things quiet to save face.
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Old 01-01-2026 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SterileMan
United was very close to ‘learning in blood’ a couple years ago several times due to accelerated growth. Luckily the Feds stepped in and saved United from Kirby.
yeah a 777 CA almost crashed how does that have anything to do with junior CAs?
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