11? Hilarious. Try 7

 

Yes "air force" includes the old planes but I was talking about the theater ballistic missiles and their production facilities. Some countries have entirely separate military branches for that, but here in the US it's under the Air Force.

But even the old planes are a threat to many neighbors and all merchant shipping, as long as they have a function gun or bomb rack. Were a threat.

 

understood. Unfortunately it seems like all they need are literally a handful of these drones to keep a hold on the strait. Probably not good. Not sure if bombing Citizens which the IRGC DGAF about will help

 

Take a sum of the number of “citizens” bombed by Israel and the US, and compare it to those killed by the IRGC..

I’ll wait.

 

Their ability to block the SoH with small, cheap, asymmetric weapons is based on the current economic structure of oil shipping. If/when it gets painful enough, insurance companies, crews and ship owners will no longer be calling the shots.

Nations will take charge and a combination of risk mitigation and also accepting a little risk to tankers will get it flowing again. Don't know how much time and economic pain will ensue before that happens.

We are not bombing civilians. In addition to war crimes, the civilians are largely opposed to the regime. No point in forcing them into the regime's camp.

Also we still have the lever of cutting off *their* oil revenue, by blockading/seizing/bombing oil terminal infrastructure. Not sure what the timeline or delay is on that, maybe want more forces in theater. Maybe also giving IR opportunity to recognize how bad that would be and negotiate.

Also PRC isn't really on their side in this... they get some oil from IR, but most of their imports comes from other gulf states, so they're feeling the same pain as everyone else.

 

Can we please put all this in a separate thread and get back to spirit????

 

Its funny having to continue to remind a Mod about thread drift…

 

Gawd hopefully not

 

No way spirit exits 11 and then files 11 again. If fuel stays up I’d expect a liquidation.

 

Other majors are discussing the economic impact of the war in their threads.