Are you saying those days are gone? Just look at almost every TV show or movie

Is this like when I tell my kids “I’ll think about it”

instead of all the good wholesome modest women on Instagram etc?
We all use what we got to get ahead in life.

Yes………

https://www.reuters.com/business/sav...ad-2026-04-21/

Looks like the writing is on the wall.

"What would someone buy?" Duffy asked. "If no one else wants to buy them, why would we buy them?

"By the way if you do do *Spirit, ⁠who comes next? Who is the third?"

He added: "I care about the employees at Spirit... We also have to be good stewards of the tax dollar. We can't make dumb investments, we can't put taxpayer money that is going to be lost or just forestall the inevitable."

"If Spirit goes away, it's better for JetBlue," Duffy said. "If we bail ​out Spirit, I can't imagine that JetBlue would love that."

He is correct on all points. Does it suck, yup. But spending tax dollars to bail out an airline that cant show any direction to correct course is such waste.

brutal article.

Interesting read to be fair none of us know the strategic plan moving forward.

I guess he is right, why burden the tax payers on a product that does not generate revenue. ULCC is dead.

The role of the Federal Government is to not necessarily maximize financial return. The argument that jetBlue greatly benefits actually might work in Spirit's favor. Spirit's best argument is the downward pressure on airfare they create when they enter a market. jetBlue losing a key competitor won't drive down prices. Helping the little guy has rarely been bad politics.
Don't forget, U.S. commercial aviation is the least free market, most regulated industry in this country. Government involvement isn't uncommon.

Do me a favor and put me on your avoidance bid list.

ok, I get it but they “bring down fares” because they keep selling tickets at a loss. Not really a good comparison. Selling tickets at a loss is not a business, it’s a charity.

😂😂 meanwhile I bet if you guys unknowingly flew together you’d have a blast. APC is funny

Whack youll pick up your FO when you get to the gate. If you don't, give me a call. Ill fly with you

$475 DIP financing due to be paid back July 14th.

Cash on hand 2/28 $560 million and shrinking.

83 days until liquidation. Start the countdown.

I would imagine the cash on hand today is less than the DIP payment due in July.

wrong. Trump to the rescue

https://apple.news/A2zRni2z1SlmNtLQVx80yEA

wow … tell us how you really feel. If that happens, do you throw a celebration? I’m trying to understand why you would want this?

The business model was wildly successful pre-NEOs and pre-Covid and pre-Ted.

‘well, labor costs were significantly less too

and most importantly, pre-basic eceonomy

A lot of people forget this HUGE piece to the puzzle. There is a place for a ULCC IF there is no competition for that slice of the market. For a while, Spirit was the only player in that market and they had it all to themselves. When basic economy was rolled out at the legacies and other airlines adopted the model, Spirit got massively diluted and had to cut fares further to retain market share, often at a loss. This is when the margins started compressing pre-COVID. Then Covid hit, and everything went tits up.

In line with the rest of his STUPID decisions lately. But it will buy the company another 6 months. Whoptie do

It was wildly successful because it was arguably predatory. American consumers were either unfamiliar with the unbundling concept or the market segment was too stupid to pay attention. That's why ancillary fees were a majority percentage of the revenue.

When you add up the cost of traveling with luggage, it was hardly low cost. You might save $20/ticket over the legacies. Which was not worth the hassle in case of delays/cancellations as Spirit didn't have the capacity/frequency/structure to reaccommodate passengers quickly.

People wised up and now either travel with no luggage or they travel with someone else. Or pay an extra $20 flying basic economy with a "more reputable" brand.

Lastly, have you looked at the pay of the likes of Ryan Air in Europe? It's significantly less than than their "national main brand" counterparts and they skirt labor laws with the way their bases are structured. When Spirit's labor cost creeped up, it was the last straw, it was no longer a low cost airline, just a crappy one.

Why does Sun Country have such large margins?

Not even 6 months. The DIP is due to be repaid by July 14th and its $450M so that money is going to the hedge funds. Yes it will reduce Spirit's debt a bit, but Spirit's issues aren't its debt, although that's the barrier to being acquired. Its the daily cash burn ($2M a day in Feb) that is the issue and this money is going to the creditors very soon.

Sun Country is a niche airline with 500 pilots. They're a "hometown" airline in MSP. They're small and know their market and able to quickly pivot in the seasonal vacation market.

Also their labor rate is noticeably less than legacy sized airline.

My family actually flies Allegiant quite a bit even though at times it costs more than a legacy. It allows direct flights to vacation spots out of my non major hub city.

Great now the taxpayer has to dump more money on the fire. What a waste.

****ed my tax dollars are going to go to this

Talk about cart before horse.....

"Nearing deal" and "advanced discussions" mean diddly until they "sign on the line that is dotted."

more like you’re mad that we aren’t out of business yet. Mad about $500m “of your tax dollars” to help save an airline? Please … maybe you should find ways to reduce your tax bill - so it really sounds like a personal issue.

how much tax payers dollars went to 2 years of funding blocking a B6/NK merger? Were you mad about that too? Or was that beneficial to you?

All of that,but mainly it’s because of the Amazon and charter contracts they have (casinos,MLS soccer,military,ladies hockey,college football etc)

I love all of the comments justifying spending tax payers money to let Spirit live a few more months. It’s nothing against the pilots…nobody wants to see people out of work…it’s against the company…the one who managed the airline like garbage and gave millions to executives while laying people off and slashing pay….and now it’s everyone else’s problem? I don’t think so.

Kirby is still wrong and running his mouth has now really now started to annoy very powerful people. It was only a matter of time before his ego got the best of him.

Glad I don’t work for that weirdo.

And I’d rather sell my Miata collection than fly even one leg with you. 😬

Geesh......get a room already! You can show him how to properly whack and then do each other!

I think 500 million divided out over the tax payers income is like $20-30 each. I’m not justifying it, and I’m certainly not a fan of government getting involved in things of this matter. But they already got involved to block a merger. They said spirit can’t go away because it’s important to the flying public….keeping prices down, etc…complete garbage right, we all agree on that. If Spirit goes away now, it’ll be no different than if they got acquired by B6 and went away 2 years ago, the industry will adapt. I’d just assume they stay out all together, but this is a win for me, so I’m all for it. But if it doesn’t materialize I’ll be fine with that too.