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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
(Post 4026379)
I think 500 million divided out over the tax payers income is like $20-30 each. I’m not justifying it, and I’m certainly not a fan of government getting involved in things of this matter. But they already got involved to block a merger. They said spirit can’t go away because it’s important to the flying public….keeping prices down, etc…complete garbage right, we all agree on that. If Spirit goes away now, it’ll be no different than if they got acquired by B6 and went away 2 years ago, the industry will adapt. I’d just assume they stay out all together, but this is a win for me, so I’m all for it. But if it doesn’t materialize I’ll be fine with that too.
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Originally Posted by TheCalmCaptain
(Post 4026333)
Kirby is still wrong and running his mouth has now really now started to annoy very powerful people. It was only a matter of time before his ego got the best of him.
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senator cruz and Warren agree on something but for very different reasons.
https://x.com/tedcruz/status/2047054442332029439?s=20 https://x.com/SenWarren/status/2047057083950899338?s=20 some of us remember which one of them opposed the merger though. |
Originally Posted by drywhitetoast
(Post 4026310)
Blue Horseshoe loves Spirit Aviation.
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The article has a paywall, but the headline is interesting.
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/22/spi...-trump-bailout |
Originally Posted by emergencyexit
(Post 4026314)
more like you’re mad that we aren’t out of business yet. Mad about $500m “of your tax dollars” to help save an airline? Please … maybe you should find ways to reduce your tax bill - so it really sounds like a personal issue.
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Originally Posted by Stankhunt42
(Post 4026492)
There it is. I knew that was coming. No, no one hates Spirit and wants it to die. 500M bailout with taxpayer dollars is absolute BS. NK C suite has proved they can’t fix this and the airline doesn't deserve to continue unless it can become profitable. If you don’t have a back up plan by now that’s on you at this point. That’s not lacking empathy that’s called reality.
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Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 4026499)
No, that's exactly "Lacking empathy".
- Newt Gingrich |
Originally Posted by DookieontheDrum
(Post 4026504)
“You can't have capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down.”
- Newt Gingrich |
Originally Posted by DookieontheDrum
(Post 4026504)
“You can't have capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down.”
- Newt Gingrich |
Originally Posted by LTJ9
(Post 4026510)
This industry has allowed merger after merger to create the landscape we have today. Spirit got in a position to be sold and the government f’ed it up. So forgive me for not caring what newt Gingrich has to say.
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
(Post 4026531)
You are so right! No one was gripping when Spirit got **** blocked. If the Fed Govt really thinks Spirit matters, which they clearly do, they waisted tax payer dollars to block the merger because how important Spirit was then, despite the airline loosing money…….and now it’s time to deal with the consequences and put your money where your mouth is. Which is what DT is doing.
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Originally Posted by Shrek
(Post 4026591)
In the end I don’t think it will go through but it may be a ploy for more private capital.
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
(Post 4026594)
Polymarket gives it a 45% chance.
In their March 13 turnaround plan ($2.43/gallon fuel), negative cash flow in May was expected to be $70 million. Their cash low point was expected to be $430 million on May 30, before June travel picks up. In comparison to their $430 million cash trough, they expected roughly $450 million in cash to be held by the credit card processor, encumbered cash, and set aside accounts - the easiest accounts to skip a payment to. Yes, the best case scenario was always going to be really, really tight. If you think that Spirit may have spent $70 million in additional fuel costs, net of higher ticket cash receipts, they could be at the $430 million level on April 29, before the May negative cash flow starts. Spirit spent $63 million in fuel during the 28 day month of February. Also, May follows a predictable pattern. Cash flow, at $2.43 per gallon, was expected to be positive in the first week, negative in the second (employee pay), positive in the third week, negative in the fourth week (pay again). Extra fuel costs probably doesn't turn first week and third week cash flow negative, but I could be wrong. If the checks clear on April 29, the next important date is May 14. I'm fairly certain that whatever Federal agency is being asked to pony up knows the important days and cash balances. If the polymarket prediction for April 30 is wildly different than that of April 28, someone could be "predicting" based on inside information. |
Originally Posted by LTJ9
(Post 4026510)
This industry has allowed merger after merger to create the landscape we have today. Spirit got in a position to be sold and the government f’ed it up. So forgive me for not caring what newt Gingrich has to say.
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Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 4026499)
No, that's exactly "Lacking empathy".
No, if you are on the Titanic and have been offered multiple opportunities to jump on a lifeboat but refuse, anyone refusing to feel sorry for you when you sink to the bottom of the Atlantic does not lack empathy. It’s simply a sad reality. |
Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
(Post 4026531)
You are so right! No one was gripping when Spirit got **** blocked. If the Fed Govt really thinks Spirit matters, which they clearly do, they waisted tax payer dollars to block the merger because how important Spirit was then, despite the airline loosing money…….and now it’s time to deal with the consequences and put your money where your mouth is. Which is what DT is doing.
Originally Posted by Stankhunt42
(Post 4026889)
Problem with your statement is TC told the government that a stand alone Spirit would be just fine. They asked point blank and he said no. That’s not the fault of the government, and makes your point completely invalid.
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Originally Posted by Stankhunt42
(Post 4026889)
Problem with your statement is TC told the government that a stand alone Spirit would be just fine. They asked point blank and he said no. That’s not the fault of the government, and makes your point completely invalid.
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Originally Posted by LTJ9
(Post 4026955)
There should not have been at a trial at all. Why did they sue to block JetBlue/spirit, but not sue to block Alaska/HA?
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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 4026985)
Perhaps the jB comment that their interest was to shut down Spirit so they can rise prices had something to do with it, compared to AK/HA saying they will be ran as separate entities. Perhaps?
Too many people on here are trying to point the blame solely on Biden/DOT, Christie, investors, whatever. This is Swiss cheese and there are many to blame. Maybe everybody. One bad choice led to another and there were many many opportunities to turn off the path they were on but they always stayed on the wrong path. The Swiss cheese lined up and the employees are dying. |
Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 4026905)
TC's statement was the sole reason that Judge Young blocked the merger?? Far from. Applying the Clayton Act to the merger gave the Judge little, to no, wiggle room. Spirit and jetBlue had to prove that the merger wouldn't lessen competition or negatively effect a market. That's a burden that's nearly impossible to overcome in any merger. A settlement would have been the only way around it, and the government had no interest in settling out of court.
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