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Old 03-17-2026 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Sure. Another round of pay cuts will help the company too, working for free helps them.

This is the issue with rationalizing selfish behavior, people will justify it as an altruistic act, when it’s simple self interest.
Stop it … there’s a big difference in taking flights so they don’t cancel and asking for another round of concessions.
Old 03-17-2026 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by APCbot
The saying is "short sighted"
So sorry my talk to text isn’t up to your standards. You obviously knew what I meant.
Old 03-17-2026 | 09:13 PM
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What a disgusting show, watching these contortions. Just be honest with yourselves, you are company men and whres. You don’t even have the meager union brotherhoodliness god gave a goat.

The worthless justification that you use to enrich yourself is the same line of thinking that leads to strikes being broken. Stepping on the necks of your union brothers and patting yourself on the back?

I am so thankful you are where you are. I can’t wait to see you company men eager to lap up the next pay cut to “save the company” so that the next round of furloughs has a company to come back to.
Old 03-18-2026 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
What would really help the operation out would be to hire some guys from the outside who would work for a little less. You know, just to make sure there's an airline for furloughees to return to.
Ah, yes. The B scale.
Old 03-18-2026 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
Ah, yes. The B scale.
I thought he meant hire pilots that would be paid lower on the pay scale since they’ll be NHs
Old 03-18-2026 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub2
What a disgusting show, watching these contortions. Just be honest with yourselves, you are company men and whres. You don’t even have the meager union brotherhoodliness god gave a goat.

The worthless justification that you use to enrich yourself is the same line of thinking that leads to strikes being broken. Stepping on the necks of your union brothers and patting yourself on the back?

I am so thankful you are where you are. I can’t wait to see you company men eager to lap up the next pay cut to “save the company” so that the next round of furloughs has a company to come back to.

Old 03-18-2026 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub2

I am so thankful you are where you are. I can’t wait to see you company men eager to lap up the next pay cut to “save the company” so that the next round of furloughs has a company to come back to.
Nobody here is saying anything about taking concessions or pay cuts. We are talking about picking up trips to help save cancellations.
Old 03-18-2026 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by emergencyexit
Nobody here is saying anything about taking concessions or pay cuts. We are talking about picking up trips to help save cancellations.
Has it ever occurred to you that cancelations are what motivates mgmt to bring back your fellow pilots? When you help out and cancelations stop, then what happens with the furloughees?

It's moot now since they announced recalls, but before that announcement, it was ****ty to do that. The whole point of not picking up trips is to force mgmt to start canceling flights, because that's the motivation to bring furloughees back. If mgmt sees that they can get by with only the pilots on property and can depend on them to pick up flights, why would they bring on more expense? Do you really think a recall would happen if flights were not being canceled or has the potential to be canceled? Why, because they just love pilots?

I want to believe that majority(more than 50%) of NK pilots understand this, which could be why flights were still being canceled even if some pilots were "helping out".

But keep justifying your actions.

As I said, the recall is happening so it's moot now.
Old 03-18-2026 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
Has it ever occurred to you that cancelations are what motivates mgmt to bring back your fellow pilots? When you help out and cancelations stop, then what happens with the furloughees?

It's moot now since they announced recalls, but before that announcement, it was ****ty to do that. The whole point of not picking up trips is to force mgmt to start canceling flights, because that's the motivation to bring furloughees back. If mgmt sees that they can get by with only the pilots on property and can depend on them to pick up flights, why would they bring on more expense? Do you really think a recall would happen if flights were not being canceled or has the potential to be canceled? Why, because they just love pilots?

I want to believe that majority(more than 50%) of NK pilots understand this, which could be why flights were still being canceled even if some pilots were "helping out".

But keep justifying your actions.

As I said, the recall is happening so it's moot now.
I honestly think the premium trips helped get us called back. These top pay scale captains come on here saying they credited 170 hours in a month. That's a 60k-70k month...us furloughed guys are on year 2-3 pay...
Old 03-18-2026 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tdre1025
I honestly think the premium trips helped get us called back. These top pay scale captains come on here saying they credited 170 hours in a month. That's a 60k-70k month...us furloughed guys are on year 2-3 pay...
That's a factor too.

Airlines balance the financial pain of massive premium to clean up occasional staffing-aggravated meltdowns, versus the ongoing cost of maintaining higher staffing levels. They shoot for a sweet spot.
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