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Old 03-19-2026 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub2
You should take my comments personally. I have never worked for Spirit but I have been furloughed. The only reason I am posting is for the 95% of traffic that lurks and doesn’t post, so they can know how garbage your takes are.

I don’t know why you continue to rationalize your personal enrichment, just be honest. You are stepping on your brothers necks for the peanuts you are paid, staring at the shadows on the cave wall, lashing out at AA in a laughable fashion.
Exactly.. you have never worked for spirit, so you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to our premium trips. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the folks scooping up 100 block hours with 4 days off. Not the people dropping a line and picking up 200% trips.
Old 03-19-2026 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
So you can see the possibility that picking up can be helpful to furloughs and that crediting high credit can be more than just selfishness? Or are you still sticking with your original opinion, that it’s only selfish, and not helpful? I think that might be the point you are missing or avoiding. I’ve agreed that it’s a possibility that picking up extra could be delaying furloughed pilots returning. Now can you agree that too much pressure could cause the company to collapse which would be bad for furlough pilots? Can you maybe, just maybe see that? Or do you only see it as selfishness? What if the pilots did it for free? Or would that be bad too, because then it would be not be getting paid enough, not be getting paid what legacy pilots make. Get paid too much and selfish. Get paid too little and a company man, lowering the bar, the laughing stock of the industry.
The company responds before the collapse. This is why all furloughs are being recalled. This is the perfect example, dont even need to speculate. It is literally happening infront of your eyes. This is how that traditional pilot-on-furlough idea works. I am thankful that the "help" you guys provided wasn't enough to cover everything and pilots (who didn't move on) can come back to work.

You can keep the justification. Don't need it, recalls happening. It's moot. You can pick up with a conscience again. Don't care if u take it personal or not, not my point. I will be saying the same thing to someone else if (God forbid) I, you or E-exit is furloughed.
Old 03-19-2026 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
"helping the company so you have a company to come back to" as a reason for making bank.
which is also one of a couple scab talking points.
Old 03-19-2026 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
which is also one of a couple scab talking points.
Helping a bankrupt company by working to prevent canceling flights versus helping a company by working during a strike are drastically different and the lines shouldn’t be blurred. Scab has a very clear definition.
Old 03-19-2026 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
which is also one of a couple scab talking points.
You have a serious misunderstanding of the term scab. It’s not even close.
Old 03-19-2026 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bgood
The company responds before the collapse. This is why all furloughs are being recalled. This is the perfect example, dont even need to speculate. It is literally happening infront of your eyes. This is how that traditional pilot-on-furlough idea works. I am thankful that the "help" you guys provided wasn't enough to cover everything and pilots (who didn't move on) can come back to work.

You can keep the justification. Don't need it, recalls happening. It's moot. You can pick up with a conscience again. Don't care if u take it personal or not, not my point. I will be saying the same thing to someone else if (God forbid) I, you or E-exit is furloughed.
You can’t agree that there could be benefits to keeping the company from going tits up. You can’t agree that getting paid extra can be beneficial to the one getting paid and the one on the street. You sir have dug in and only see one perspective.

You guys are a dime a dozen. It’s the rot of the world from politics to religion to all sorts of outrage topics. You see one side, get in your group collective echo chamber, and can’t actually see that what you are so opinionated about is just that….an opinion. You formed an opinion before you understood the full matter. And now your emotions confirm and support the only evidence you look for and see.
Old 03-19-2026 | 06:15 AM
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least if NK management actually prefers the mass cancelations (to an extent) as an avenue to justify the cancelation of aircraft leases and routes. Seems like it made it easier to pitch their new plan to the owners and the judge.

Is there any sort of precedent for an airline emerging from BK at a 1/3 of its original size?

It is admirable to see people advocating for the furloughed to return, but I don't think it really matters all that much as there won't be much of an airline for them to return to.
Old 03-19-2026 | 06:41 AM
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Normally it's in poor form to pick up while people are furloughed. That's typically a years-long process, and the company has time to react (recall) if they get in a bind.

But it is legal per the CBA, and does not constitute the "S" word.

I'd cut people a break for an airline on the jagged edge, in their second BK in less that a year, on a meltdown weekend.

Some people with family obligations are in a real bind with moving on. Especially if you live in base, and the ex gets alimony, child support, etc. You won't get a break on visitation or support if you "decide" to take a lower paying job in another state. The court will consider that "intentional under-employment" on your part, and punish you accordingly (unless the ex agrees to a short-term haircut and flexibility for the collective long-term good.
Old 03-19-2026 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Normally it's in poor form to pick up while people are furloughed. That's typically. a years-long process, and the company has time to react (recall) if they get in a bind.

But it is legal per the CBA, and does not constitute the "S" word.

I'd cut people a break for an airline on the jagged edge, in their second BK in less that a year, on a meltdown weekend.

Some people with family obligations are in a real bind with moving on. Especially if you live in base, and the ex gets alimony, child support, etc. You won't get a break on visitation or support if you "decide" to take a lower paying job in another state. The court will consider that "intentional under-employment" on your part, and punish you accordingly (unless the ex agrees to a short-term haircut and flexibility for the collective long-term good.
Well said…..Thank you Rick. This is the friendlier version of what my message is.
Old 03-19-2026 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
You can’t agree that there could be benefits to keeping the company from going tits up. You can’t agree that getting paid extra can be beneficial to the one getting paid and the one on the street. You sir have dug in and only see one perspective.

You guys are a dime a dozen. It’s the rot of the world from politics to religion to all sorts of outrage topics. You see one side, get in your group collective echo chamber, and can’t actually see that what you are so opinionated about is just that….an opinion. You formed an opinion before you understood the full matter. And now your emotions confirm and support the only evidence you look for and see.
Your opinion dude, worth just as much as mine. Doesn't really matter anymore.
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