The official good news Spirit Thread
03-17-2026 | 10:06 AM
#81
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Here's some possible karma...
The limit on wages in a liquidation is $17,150 for each employee. Which means that the court won't allow more than this to be paid to any employee for total wages owed. Since airline pilots are paid in arrears its possible some pilot that has been picking up trips has a big payday coming, but if the company liquidates, its the secured creditors who get paid fully and then unsecured creditors. Employees would only get up to $17,150 and then after 180 days if all secured and unsecured creditors have been fully paid (they won't be) then any leftover money can be paid to employees.
That would be the 'karma is a b***h" outcome for guys picking up with pilots on furlough.
The limit on wages in a liquidation is $17,150 for each employee. Which means that the court won't allow more than this to be paid to any employee for total wages owed. Since airline pilots are paid in arrears its possible some pilot that has been picking up trips has a big payday coming, but if the company liquidates, its the secured creditors who get paid fully and then unsecured creditors. Employees would only get up to $17,150 and then after 180 days if all secured and unsecured creditors have been fully paid (they won't be) then any leftover money can be paid to employees.
That would be the 'karma is a b***h" outcome for guys picking up with pilots on furlough.
lol this has nothing to do with karma. I'd rather HELP the company keep operations going so then at least a furloughed pilot has a company to possibly come back to. You are a very short sided thinker my man. Let's go on your logic of picking up open time vs x/y list -- A) pilot is scheduled originally for 76 hours, flies 76 hours. B) pilot is scheduled originally for 76 hours, drops and blocks 45 but gets 110 credit. Tell me who's helping furloughed pilots stay on the streets? I can tell you it isn't the pilot blocking 45.
03-17-2026 | 10:41 AM
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What would really help the operation out would be to hire some guys from the outside who would work for a little less. You know, just to make sure there's an airline for furloughees to return to.
03-17-2026 | 10:43 AM
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lol this has nothing to do with karma. I'd rather HELP the company keep operations going so then at least a furloughed pilot has a company to possibly come back to. You are a very short sided thinker my man. Let's go on your logic of picking up open time vs x/y list -- A) pilot is scheduled originally for 76 hours, flies 76 hours. B) pilot is scheduled originally for 76 hours, drops and blocks 45 but gets 110 credit. Tell me who's helping furloughed pilots stay on the streets? I can tell you it isn't the pilot blocking 45.
03-17-2026 | 10:43 AM
#84
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03-17-2026 | 10:43 AM
#85
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This is the issue with rationalizing selfish behavior, people will justify it as an altruistic act, when it’s simple self interest.
03-17-2026 | 10:55 AM
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The people coming back to this forum as spirit and its pilots cling on to survival are just so pathetic. Who cares that they’re picking up, 95% of the furloughees are not coming back. They’ve all been recalled despite everyone picking up.
This is embarrassing, you guys kicking these dudes while they’re down is beyond pathetic!! You all want to sound so high and mighty. ****, especially when you have been a legacy pilot for 20+ years just **** and mind your own business.
This is embarrassing, you guys kicking these dudes while they’re down is beyond pathetic!! You all want to sound so high and mighty. ****, especially when you have been a legacy pilot for 20+ years just **** and mind your own business.
03-17-2026 | 11:21 AM
#87
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From: In the gym
Here's some possible karma...
The limit on wages in a liquidation is $17,150 for each employee. Which means that the court won't allow more than this to be paid to any employee for total wages owed. Since airline pilots are paid in arrears its possible some pilot that has been picking up trips has a big payday coming, but if the company liquidates, its the secured creditors who get paid fully and then unsecured creditors. Employees would only get up to $17,150 and then after 180 days if all secured and unsecured creditors have been fully paid (they won't be) then any leftover money can be paid to employees.
That would be the 'karma is a b***h" outcome for guys picking up with pilots on furlough.
The limit on wages in a liquidation is $17,150 for each employee. Which means that the court won't allow more than this to be paid to any employee for total wages owed. Since airline pilots are paid in arrears its possible some pilot that has been picking up trips has a big payday coming, but if the company liquidates, its the secured creditors who get paid fully and then unsecured creditors. Employees would only get up to $17,150 and then after 180 days if all secured and unsecured creditors have been fully paid (they won't be) then any leftover money can be paid to employees.
That would be the 'karma is a b***h" outcome for guys picking up with pilots on furlough.
Sure, for the pilots who are sticking around regardless of what happens (mainly boomer CAs)
Looking at the bigger picture, NK has had pilots on the street for well over a year at this point, and a lot of the pilots who were working the system have either moved on or are on their way out. They've already collected if that is a concern.
I saw some crazy stuff after Sept 1 2024 like people flying 90+ block at straight pay, reserves voluntarily breaking their necks to get into position well before the 3 hour callout thus circumventing the premium list, etc... And sadly a lot of it was from lower time FOs who were desperate for flight hours to get more competitive for the big 3.
Look I get it, nobody wants to go to work at the regionals but in a lot of cases these pilots either never flew for one prior to NK, or spent very little time at one compared to the norm from the pre pandemic world.
But anyway it happened, and a lot of them are now working with YOU at YOUR airline.
If you're so worried about it then then you and your buddies at the big U should bid down to 737 CA and teaching some of those youngsters a lesson. There's lists floating around if you want names. That would be the real karma.
03-17-2026 | 11:54 AM
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You have a little validation problem, coming back here to make sure it’s still doing poorly so you can feel better about your decision to leave? What other reason do you have? You peak in to say that our situation is bad, unsustainable - and then Criticize those helping out for being selfish. You are pathetic
03-17-2026 | 01:13 PM
#89
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You call it selfish but don’t respond to the actual question I ask. Your little brain is short circuiting because you don’t actually know what you’re talking about. You come here to judge other’s behavior saying they are selfish, but what is the alternative in our situation? If the company needs pilots to help out to stay in business, and that help is in the form of a premium assignment or open time, and helping out will also help furlough pilots have a company to return to, then how does that in your mind equate to selfishness.
You have a little validation problem, coming back here to make sure it’s still doing poorly so you can feel better about your decision to leave? What other reason do you have? You peak in to say that our situation is bad, unsustainable - and then Criticize those helping out for being selfish. You are pathetic
You have a little validation problem, coming back here to make sure it’s still doing poorly so you can feel better about your decision to leave? What other reason do you have? You peak in to say that our situation is bad, unsustainable - and then Criticize those helping out for being selfish. You are pathetic
03-17-2026 | 02:48 PM
#90
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You call it selfish but don’t respond to the actual question I ask. Your little brain is short circuiting because you don’t actually know what you’re talking about. You come here to judge other’s behavior saying they are selfish, but what is the alternative in our situation? If the company needs pilots to help out to stay in business, and that help is in the form of a premium assignment or open time, and helping out will also help furlough pilots have a company to return to, then how does that in your mind equate to selfishness.
You have a little validation problem, coming back here to make sure it’s still doing poorly so you can feel better about your decision to leave? What other reason do you have? You peak in to say that our situation is bad, unsustainable - and then Criticize those helping out for being selfish. You are pathetic
You have a little validation problem, coming back here to make sure it’s still doing poorly so you can feel better about your decision to leave? What other reason do you have? You peak in to say that our situation is bad, unsustainable - and then Criticize those helping out for being selfish. You are pathetic
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