It will be one excuse after another, guaranteed. But you already knew that, didn’t you?

Weird you don’t work here anymore but just can’t let it go. Move on with your life, friend.

Please don’t get me wrong, I’m glad you’re content.

Great news. It would be extremely boneheaded to bring them back if things weren’t going in the right direction.

It is great news, especially for the huge mistake bypassing because of the Southwest rumor! United still hasn’t called me for a class date!

…..because they have never done anything boneheaded before?

but to keep with the spirit of the thread hooray 200% all around. Can’t be cheap, especially if they needed concessions but definitely good news.

Restructuring Support Agreement and NEW HIRE training in May. New Airbus deliveries scheduled for 2027. Fantastic news this Friday!

Woohoo!!!!

Future Faker☝️

I don't understand how someone can be this excited after watching their airline go from 200+ airplanes down to 76-80. While taking a pay cut. The company email said "growth in 2027" is it really growth after more than 1/2 of the fleet is already gone?

Its the old head in the sand trick.

It’s amazing that we have so many people here who think that just because they believe a certain thing, or form opinions based on their specific situation, everyone else should too. The self-centeredness in these threads is actually overwhelming. You wouldn’t take the recall, so someone who does is stupid? You wouldn’t stay here, so everyone who does is stupid?

Get over yourself. You’re not that important, and you likely aren’t nearly as smart as you think you are. More importantly, you have no right, at all, to judge others by the decisions they make.

Record number of XY calls going out. Third week in a row answering my phone and crew services say “pick whatever pairing you want”. ChaChing!

I love this airline!

It’s because NK is canceling double digit percentage flights, again, during spring break travel.

Wow, picking up premium pay while your buddies are furloughed, have you no standards?

Didn’t keep them from all being recalled.

It'll be great when you fly with a recalled guy to tell them how awesome picking up premium was while they were furloughed.
Even better, you should tell them it sucks they got recalled and the premium flying went away.

See how well that goes.

How much did actions like his delay the recall?

He should report back with how that goes. You know… learning purposes and all lol

There are also downgraded captains snagging premium trips, too. This has nothing to do with how many they furloughed. And I’m not sacrificing my livelihood because someone is furloughed from spirit. This isn’t 9/11 where everyone is on the streets.

I guess that says it all doesn’t it ?! :(

Yikes
filler

Maybe some things are just better kept in your head.

It's the internet. It lets people act like they are brave enough to say it infront of a furloughed pilot's face. Smh.

GOOD NEW’s would be, new VP of flight OPS and a bend-Oh replacement by individuals with actual experience and/or experience in not screwing over working groups within an airline.

But it doesn’t matter, nobody on this forum understands how X and Y really work anyway, so there’s really no reason to call someone out for picking up these premium trips while we have pilots on furlough.

Mostly projecting that there are Spirit pilots still employed when they thought we’d be forgotten about 12 months ago. That’s really what this is. A320 pilots making $500/hr. Flying half of monthly block they would have anyway. It’s it’s a net 0 anyway. As far as taking block away from furloughed pilots.

So yea, I’ll sit here and pick up Y list all day long to help the company not have that 1 more cancellation. And yes, I would tell that to a furloughed pilots face. It helps to give them an opportunity for a company to even come back to.

The company offered premium on the Y list because there’s no one on reserve to left to cover the trips for move up pay (despite that not being the original intent of move up pay). More pilots recalled means that that there would be pilots on reserve willing to take MUP for those trips

Last weekend's cancellation stats...14% Saturday, 25% Sunday, 37% Monday, and up to 8% for Tuesday already a couple hours into the day. It would appear you're going to have to help harder.

Yeah keep justifying your actions. It's hard to get one to understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it.

You even said it yourself, that isn’t the intent of move up pay. So if a reserve takes MUP to show early, that eliminates scheduling having to call for premium trips. Stealing money from someone who should be getting 200% and giving it to a reserve for MUP.

You’re sitting at home in an outstation, say MCI, and you get a call for premium. You’re really going to tell me a pilot shouldn’t take the trip to save a cancellation because we don’t have enough reserves in FLL? That’s just stupid.

And if you look at how many people are on the XY list, you’re a minority in this thought process.

37% is crazy number. At 20% for today already. Unsustainable bleeding

Yikes—this feels unsustainable, maybe it is.

I’m genuinely curious what AF Onewire, DERA, and others who are against picking up premium trips while pilots are on furlough think about this:

For a current Spirit pilot being offered premium (x/y) trips right now, what should they do, in your view?

Is accepting those trips right or wrong? Is it helping preserve jobs for furloughed pilots to return to? Or is it prolonging furloughs by covering flying that would otherwise create recall pressure?

I’ve been hearing a lot of very confident opinions that don’t seem well thought out. Things get thrown around as if they’re obvious truths like calling this “scab territory” without a real understanding of what that actually means.

I’ve had real cockpit conversations where pilots believe a strike vote means you can strike immediately and use that misunderstanding to justify strong opinions about contracts and other pilots.

It feels like a lot of this comes from people wanting to sound informed or aligned with the group, but operating off simplified rules like: “Don’t help the company” and “Don’t pick up premium during furloughs”

The problem is, when those rules are applied without a deeper understanding, they can become counterproductive depending on the situation.

I get that forums are an outlet for trolling and ****ery, but setting that aside. What’s your honest take on picking up premium trips at Spirit right now?

The general rule for decades has been to not pick up extra flying when you have your fellow pilots on the street. If the company has flying it can’t cover, recall. And this is what you’re seeing here, even the guys picking up flying still can’t cover the amount needing to be covered, so they have to recall.

But there will be a time when attrition slows and they probably will furlough again; and the rule remains the same, you shouldn’t pick up flying when you have pilots on furlough.

Yes, but the point is that if guys wouldn’t pick up ANY premium, they would recall guys and those guys on reserve would get MUP to at least have a chance at padding an underwhelming reserve paycheck (though a pay check nonetheless given that they’re probably unemployed).

Reserve needs to be renegotiated at NK, but the that’s a separate topic entirely.

Point still stands, don’t pick up premium when pilots are furloughed. With coworkers like that, who needs enemies?

in the way back after i was furloughed for 13 months i came back and got the gift of flying with a dude who self admittedly flew the most of any pilots on property the year before. He bragged at how much he made when i was on furlough. I mentioned i was barely keeping my house and just thought it was so cool to tell.me again how much he made picking up all the premium he could.
yeah that was a fun flight, not.

PNS- Pilot Narcissism Syndrome strikes again.

Here's some possible karma...

The limit on wages in a liquidation is $17,150 for each employee. Which means that the court won't allow more than this to be paid to any employee for total wages owed. Since airline pilots are paid in arrears its possible some pilot that has been picking up trips has a big payday coming, but if the company liquidates, its the secured creditors who get paid fully and then unsecured creditors. Employees would only get up to $17,150 and then after 180 days if all secured and unsecured creditors have been fully paid (they won't be) then any leftover money can be paid to employees.

That would be the 'karma is a b***h" outcome for guys picking up with pilots on furlough.

FlightAware shows Spirit scheduled 454 flights today. It shows 201 cancelled flights today. That's 44% of all flights.

No way this is sustainable.

I guess what I’m saying is. If everyone stops picking up open time/premium trips when the company is in a potentially unsustainable situation, is that really in the best interest of furloughs? I think not. I’m not interested in general rules, I’m interested in now, our current situation.

Honestly it doesn't really matter. Today's cancellation rates is already 44% and its early PM. Could break 50% by the end of the day. Guys picking up aren't stopping furloughs from not coming back. If they can't figure this out the doors are going to close very soon.

You are a moron. You assume that everyone helping out is looking out only for themselves. They might be trying to keep the company alive, which helps out furloughed pilots.

So first you say picking up open time is keeping pilots furloughed. And now picking up open time isn’t helping enough.
what is it?