lol this has nothing to do with karma. I'd rather HELP the company keep operations going so then at least a furloughed pilot has a company to possibly come back to. You are a very short sided thinker my man. Let's go on your logic of picking up open time vs x/y list -- A) pilot is scheduled originally for 76 hours, flies 76 hours. B) pilot is scheduled originally for 76 hours, drops and blocks 45 but gets 110 credit. Tell me who's helping furloughed pilots stay on the streets? I can tell you it isn't the pilot blocking 45.

What would really help the operation out would be to hire some guys from the outside who would work for a little less. You know, just to make sure there's an airline for furloughees to return to.

The saying is "short sighted"

maybe picking up those trips for free since helping the company survive for the furloughed is the main goal of picking up BTW

Sure. Another round of pay cuts will help the company too, working for free helps them.

This is the issue with rationalizing selfish behavior, people will justify it as an altruistic act, when it’s simple self interest.

The people coming back to this forum as spirit and its pilots cling on to survival are just so pathetic. Who cares that they’re picking up, 95% of the furloughees are not coming back. They’ve all been recalled despite everyone picking up.

This is embarrassing, you guys kicking these dudes while they’re down is beyond pathetic!! You all want to sound so high and mighty. ****, especially when you have been a legacy pilot for 20+ years just **** and mind your own business.

Sure, for the pilots who are sticking around regardless of what happens (mainly boomer CAs)

Looking at the bigger picture, NK has had pilots on the street for well over a year at this point, and a lot of the pilots who were working the system have either moved on or are on their way out. They've already collected if that is a concern.

I saw some crazy stuff after Sept 1 2024 like people flying 90+ block at straight pay, reserves voluntarily breaking their necks to get into position well before the 3 hour callout thus circumventing the premium list, etc... And sadly a lot of it was from lower time FOs who were desperate for flight hours to get more competitive for the big 3.

Look I get it, nobody wants to go to work at the regionals but in a lot of cases these pilots either never flew for one prior to NK, or spent very little time at one compared to the norm from the pre pandemic world.

But anyway it happened, and a lot of them are now working with YOU at YOUR airline.

If you're so worried about it then then you and your buddies at the big U should bid down to 737 CA and teaching some of those youngsters a lesson. There's lists floating around if you want names. That would be the real karma.

You call it selfish but don’t respond to the actual question I ask. Your little brain is short circuiting because you don’t actually know what you’re talking about. You come here to judge other’s behavior saying they are selfish, but what is the alternative in our situation? If the company needs pilots to help out to stay in business, and that help is in the form of a premium assignment or open time, and helping out will also help furlough pilots have a company to return to, then how does that in your mind equate to selfishness.

You have a little validation problem, coming back here to make sure it’s still doing poorly so you can feel better about your decision to leave? What other reason do you have? You peak in to say that our situation is bad, unsustainable - and then Criticize those helping out for being selfish. You are pathetic

Well said …

Stop it … there’s a big difference in taking flights so they don’t cancel and asking for another round of concessions.

So sorry my talk to text isn’t up to your standards. You obviously knew what I meant.

What a disgusting show, watching these contortions. Just be honest with yourselves, you are company men and whres. You don’t even have the meager union brotherhoodliness god gave a goat.

The worthless justification that you use to enrich yourself is the same line of thinking that leads to strikes being broken. Stepping on the necks of your union brothers and patting yourself on the back?

I am so thankful you are where you are. I can’t wait to see you company men eager to lap up the next pay cut to “save the company” so that the next round of furloughs has a company to come back to.

Ah, yes. The B scale.

I thought he meant hire pilots that would be paid lower on the pay scale since they’ll be NHs

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Nobody here is saying anything about taking concessions or pay cuts. We are talking about picking up trips to help save cancellations.

Has it ever occurred to you that cancelations are what motivates mgmt to bring back your fellow pilots? When you help out and cancelations stop, then what happens with the furloughees?

It's moot now since they announced recalls, but before that announcement, it was ****ty to do that. The whole point of not picking up trips is to force mgmt to start canceling flights, because that's the motivation to bring furloughees back. If mgmt sees that they can get by with only the pilots on property and can depend on them to pick up flights, why would they bring on more expense? Do you really think a recall would happen if flights were not being canceled or has the potential to be canceled? Why, because they just love pilots?

I want to believe that majority(more than 50%) of NK pilots understand this, which could be why flights were still being canceled even if some pilots were "helping out".

But keep justifying your actions.

As I said, the recall is happening so it's moot now.

I honestly think the premium trips helped get us called back. These top pay scale captains come on here saying they credited 170 hours in a month. That's a 60k-70k month...us furloughed guys are on year 2-3 pay...

That's a factor too.

Airlines balance the financial pain of massive premium to clean up occasional staffing-aggravated meltdowns, versus the ongoing cost of maintaining higher staffing levels. They shoot for a sweet spot.

That’s illegal, and most Spirit pilots who are still here know and remember being sued by Spirit for doing that in 2017. You were probably still in grade school when the ones you are looking down on were learning hard lessons that you now judge us for not doing.

Recalls are happening because of attrition. One or 2 pilots turning down trips or picking up trips probably doesn’t move the needle. Whatever amount becomes noticeable also becomes fuel for litigation.

listen, I’m not saying pick up, or don’t pick up, but lets be honest, that was the only thing that actually got the company to the table. We got a Contract shortly after.

Maybe. My point of contention is the loudest and most righteous are usually the ones covering or projecting their own actions.

Everyone has a reason for doing what they do, from the outside it can seem selfish. But even selfish looking behavior can be beneficial to others. 2 things can be true at once.

Just fly the contract and don’t make so many assumptions or judgments about what you think others are doing or their true intentions are.

It’s illegal to only fly your awarded line and not pick up premium on your day off?

An individual pilot…no. But as collective group, a work action, the type that causes leverage, way outside the norms….yes.

sounds crazy, but your reaction was the same that I had too when it happened.

Its hard to prove, but its called Withdrawal of Enthusiasm (WOE) and that is an illegal work action.

Yup, and a certain executive who went to the court in 2017 is still in the c suite to this day.

Also in the 2017 TRO there were screen shots from this very website actually.

They really reached then. NK pilots, in general, are some of the most pro-QOL pilots out there. The norm here is to work min days or even dropping trips and going below MPG. I don’t get it, but I’m just a pilot at the end of the day

Well, the bigger issue is ALPA had said repeatedly (for months) that we were short staffed and it would lead to yet another meltdown. It came to a head when there was a brawl in FLL and the Media picked up on it and that was that, then all of a sudden it was a problem. We also had a website for the Chokers and absolute morons who told Schedulers they refused to accept JRM trips until we got a contract. Some even put it down on the Notes screen or whatever it was for company to see. In typical Spirit management fashion, they created the mess then blamed the Pilots and used a few screenshots on here and some other things to sue us. It was ridiculous. That was like the 3rd or 4th Major meltdown I experienced at NK and literally nothing changed either time. The best is when long after COVID ended they still let the Schedulers work from home, that was another brilliant move. After waiting on hold for literally hours you had someone answer the phone while their kids were yelling the in background.

Anyway, the only reason NK still exists is because the Pilots consistiently go above and beyond to compensate for horrific mgmt. There is no way NK would recover from a 2017 type meltdown.

The one without common sense that decides to create that website was the one to be blamed for that. It would've been very difficult to prove, but no. Let's highlight everything.

Hypothetically speaking, you don't need to go around telling pilots what not to do when someone is furloughed. Things can happen without whispering a word. Just look back at history. I think we are smart enough to not do stupid things.

I'm not looking down on any fellow pilot. I have an opinion that the reason given is BS and I'm going to say it. You can keep your "grade school" comment, swing and a miss. Like I said, it was a ****ty move and it's moot now.

Go tell the recall peeps that you were thinking about them when you(or whoever) were banking 150+ credits. You were saving the company and it was all for them. Smh. You ever thought that maybe, just a slight maybe, they would've been recalled sooner if it wasn't for some? Even a slight chance. It is what it is, I guess.

Disclaimer: not telling anyone to participate in work action yadayadaya...

Getting furloughed is the best thing you can do happen to some of them. Some didn’t belong in a jet with people and will get jobs for seasoning, others found better jobs and will be senior to those of us too stubborn to come to our senses sooner.

Yes, obviously they may have been recalled sooner, but how much sooner. A couple weeks, a month? There’s a lot of moving parts to the equation that you and me are not privy to. I’d argue there is a better chance that the company can’t withstand a huge disruption, and more likely to collapse under pressure. That’s even worse for furloughs. Can you not also see that possibility? Id gladly share that perspective to anyone.

I haven’t broke 100 hrs in probably a year or 2, and only then with sick + vacation. I don’t judge though, because I’m smart enough to know I’m not smart enough to know how it will play out.

It’s a low move to be bragging about banking high credit with pilots on furlough, I can agree with that.

When you fly a plane, is it all for the paycheck? Or all for the passengers? Or all for your crew? No. It’s for all those things, and more. It’s multi-faceted. Just because you get paid doesn’t mean you’re only looking out for yourself. Why do you apply such simple standards to things you disagree with? Because you haven’t quite thought it through of course. You’ve become emotionally attached to your opinion and are now only using evidence that supports your opinion.

Talk about a mess. I didn’t think they actually highlighted that stuff… buuuut 😬

I do remember getting called for a reserve assignment and the lady’s kid was losing it and throwing a tantrum lol Good times lol

NK was such a fun place to work at. Different type of flying and awesome crews. That management team always found a way to mess things up and to ruin it a good thing.

Seems like you missed the whole reason for my opinion. Read back all the comments of people using "helping the company so you have a company to come back to" as a reason for making bank, even in your own comment. That's where my comment derived from. I didn't apply the standard, I answered to it.

It would probably be better if they str8 up say they don't give a crap about the furloughs, "show me the money". Atleast they would be honest.

So you can see the possibility that picking up can be helpful to furloughs and that crediting high credit can be more than just selfishness? Or are you still sticking with your original opinion, that it’s only selfish, and not helpful? I think that might be the point you are missing or avoiding. I’ve agreed that it’s a possibility that picking up extra could be delaying furloughed pilots returning. Now can you agree that too much pressure could cause the company to collapse which would be bad for furlough pilots? Can you maybe, just maybe see that? Or do you only see it as selfishness? What if the pilots did it for free? Or would that be bad too, because then it would be not be getting paid enough, not be getting paid what legacy pilots make. Get paid too much and selfish. Get paid too little and a company man, lowering the bar, the laughing stock of the industry.

Don’t take these comments personal. I certainly don’t. Most are just projecting. Trying to justify why they left. Perhaps envious of $500+/hr A320 pay they could have been making right now if they would have just taken that AA class 3 months later. Because none of these clowns have looked at it from a credit perspective vs a block perspective.

someone picking up open time blocking 98 hours and crediting 98 hours is doing more of an injustice to the “bringing back furlough” debacle, compared to someone who blocks 40 and credits 78 due to premium trips. That person frees up 38 hours of block. Oh but the Y list should go to reserves you say? No. A reserve would never get assigned to an outstation trip.

I don’t take it personally. Just amusing the lack of awareness about what’s really getting at them. Projection, validation, envy, jealousy, etc… They look for smart sounding virtues to why they’re better, to turn their noses, and be outraged, and call BS, etc. all while hiding under the facade of looking out for furloughs best interests……lol. I call BS.

Haha, yeah..thats it.

You should take my comments personally. I have never worked for Spirit but I have been furloughed. The only reason I am posting is for the 95% of traffic that lurks and doesn’t post, so they can know how garbage your takes are.

I don’t know why you continue to rationalize your personal enrichment, just be honest. You are stepping on your brothers necks for the peanuts you are paid, staring at the shadows on the cave wall, lashing out at AA in a laughable fashion.