Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 4014297)

You should take my comments personally. I have never worked for Spirit but I have been furloughed. The only reason I am posting is for the 95% of traffic that lurks and doesn’t post, so they can know how garbage your takes are.

I don’t know why you continue to rationalize your personal enrichment, just be honest. You are stepping on your brothers necks for the peanuts you are paid, staring at the shadows on the cave wall, lashing out at AA in a laughable fashion.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014230)

So you can see the possibility that picking up can be helpful to furloughs and that crediting high credit can be more than just selfishness? Or are you still sticking with your original opinion, that it’s only selfish, and not helpful? I think that might be the point you are missing or avoiding. I’ve agreed that it’s a possibility that picking up extra could be delaying furloughed pilots returning. Now can you agree that too much pressure could cause the company to collapse which would be bad for furlough pilots? Can you maybe, just maybe see that? Or do you only see it as selfishness? What if the pilots did it for free? Or would that be bad too, because then it would be not be getting paid enough, not be getting paid what legacy pilots make. Get paid too much and selfish. Get paid too little and a company man, lowering the bar, the laughing stock of the industry.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 401422)

"helping the company so you have a company to come back to" as a reason for making bank.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 4014359)

which is also one of a couple scab talking points.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 4014359)

which is also one of a couple scab talking points.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4014345)

The company responds before the collapse. This is why all furloughs are being recalled. This is the perfect example, dont even need to speculate. It is literally happening infront of your eyes. This is how that traditional pilot-on-furlough idea works. I am thankful that the "help" you guys provided wasn't enough to cover everything and pilots (who didn't move on) can come back to work.

You can keep the justification. Don't need it, recalls happening. It's moot. You can pick up with a conscience again. Don't care if u take it personal or not, not my point. I will be saying the same thing to someone else if (God forbid) I, you or E-exit is furloughed.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4014390)

Normally it's in poor form to pick up while people are furloughed. That's typically. a years-long process, and the company has time to react (recall) if they get in a bind.

But it is legal per the CBA, and does not constitute the "S" word.

I'd cut people a break for an airline on the jagged edge, in their second BK in less that a year, on a meltdown weekend.

Some people with family obligations are in a real bind with moving on. Especially if you live in base, and the ex gets alimony, child support, etc. You won't get a break on visitation or support if you "decide" to take a lower paying job in another state. The court will consider that "intentional under-employment" on your part, and punish you accordingly (unless the ex agrees to a short-term haircut and flexibility for the collective long-term good.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014377)

You can’t agree that there could be benefits to keeping the company from going tits up. You can’t agree that getting paid extra can be beneficial to the one getting paid and the one on the street. You sir have dug in and only see one perspective.

You guys are a dime a dozen. It’s the rot of the world from politics to religion to all sorts of outrage topics. You see one side, get in your group collective echo chamber, and can’t actually see that what you are so opinionated about is just that….an opinion. You formed an opinion before you understood the full matter. And now your emotions confirm and support the only evidence you look for and see.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4014414)

Your opinion dude, worth just as much as mine. Doesn't really matter anymore.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 4014359)

which is also one of a couple scab talking points.

Originally Posted by RStrawberry (Post 4014445)

You are insanely insufferable. Do you know anything? For someone who talks like God’s gift to airline unions you seem to get so much wrong.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 4014359)

which is also one of a couple scab talking points.

Originally Posted by emergencyexit (Post 4014512)

Not even close to a scab definition. Wtf are you even talking about/ that word doesn’t even belong in this discussion.

Originally Posted by emergencyexit (Post 4014512)

Not even close to a scab definition. Wtf are you even talking about/ that word doesn’t even belong in this discussion.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 4014579)

He didn't say scab definition. He said scab talking points, and it's true. Scabs also said "I needed to take care of my family" when pilots were on the streets.

He did not claim pilots still employed were scabs.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014597)

Everybody needs or should take care of their families. That doesn’t make you a scab or an indicator that you might behave like a scab. Scab behavior is the indicator, which is not what’s happening. .

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 4014636)

Holy moly. Guys are turning themselves into human pretzels to justify flying premium time with their brothers and sisters on the street, and are mystified about why they're getting called out.

Have you read "Flying the Line?"

Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 4013927)

What a disgusting show, watching these contortions. Just be honest with yourselves, you are company men and whres. You don’t even have the meager union brotherhoodliness god gave a goat.

The worthless justification that you use to enrich yourself is the same line of thinking that leads to strikes being broken. Stepping on the necks of your union brothers and patting yourself on the back?

I am so thankful you are where you are. I can’t wait to see you company men eager to lap up the next pay cut to “save the company” so that the next round of furloughs has a company to come back to.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 4014636)

Holy moly. Guys are turning themselves into human pretzels to justify flying premium time with their brothers and sisters on the street, and are mystified about why they're getting called out.

Have you read "Flying the Line?"

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4014755)

I’m willing to bet that they haven’t read it. For their sake, I REALLY hope NK doesn’t shut its doors. If it does and they make it to a legacy and their legacy brothers and sisters find out they picked up premium when people were on furlough… Well, safe to say they will find themselves on some sort of list.

Originally Posted by emergencyexit (Post 4014812)

This “some sort of list” supposed to be threatening? Or a scare tactic? You guys keep telling the pilots that actually work for the company how we are doing a disservice to the furloughed, when in reality you really have no clue what you’re talking about.

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4014755)

I’m willing to bet that they haven’t read it. For their sake, I REALLY hope NK doesn’t shut its doors. If it does and they make it to a legacy and their legacy brothers and sisters find out they picked up premium when people were on furlough… Well, safe to say they will find themselves on some sort of list.

Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 4014847)

If you are concerned about the company surviving and not just doing this for yourself, why not just pick up open time at straight pay since its saving the company money? Why wait until its extra pay, costing the company even more?

You're not just trying to cover trips to keep the operation going. You're waiting until its financially beneficial for YOU and then doing it.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4014881)

Knock it off. This is complete bovine excrement.

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4014900)

It’s not though. I’ve flown with senior folks who have said “eff that guy. He was picking up while we furloughed.” This was not a one off either. Some people don’t forget these types of things. I’m also willing to bet that this isn’t just one legacy either.

NK Union came out with a communication about putting their coworkers on a list for this very thing when the first round of furloughs happened.

It wasn’t a threat nor a scare tactic, but a possible reality IF they go off to a legacy (and this info gets out). Maybe what I wrote came off threatening (wasn’t meant to be). Unfortunately, that is a possibility.

It’s more of a heads up, but it won’t (and probably wasn’t) taken that way

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4014900)

It’s not though. I’ve flown with senior folks who have said “eff that guy. He was picking up while we furloughed.” This was not a one off either. Some people don’t forget these types of things. I’m also willing to bet that this isn’t just one legacy either.

NK Union came out with a communication about putting their coworkers on a list for this very thing when the first round of furloughs happened.

It wasn’t a threat nor a scare tactic, but a possible reality IF they go off to a legacy (and this info gets out). Maybe what I wrote came off threatening (wasn’t meant to be). Unfortunately, that is a possibility.

It’s more of a heads up, but it won’t (and probably wasn’t) taken that way

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014914)

They came out in support of making a list, or against making a list? I missed that email, can you clarify? Thanks

Originally Posted by tdre1025 (Post 4014947)

Imagine you show up to the airport as a passenger trying to get to an important event like a job interview, wedding, child birth etc, and you find out your flight was cancelled last minute over pilot premium pay politics within the airline...

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4014900)

It’s not though. I’ve flown with senior folks who have said “eff that guy. He was picking up while we furloughed.” This was not a one off either. Some people don’t forget these types of things. I’m also willing to bet that this isn’t just one legacy either.

Originally Posted by tdre1025 (Post 4014947)

Imagine you show up to the airport as a passenger trying to get to an important event like a job interview, wedding, child birth etc, and you find out your flight was cancelled last minute over pilot premium pay politics within the airline...

Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 4014847)

If you are concerned about the company surviving and not just doing this for yourself, why not just pick up open time at straight pay since its saving the company money? Why wait until its extra pay, costing the company even more?

You're not just trying to cover trips to keep the operation going. You're waiting until its financially beneficial for YOU and then doing it.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4014881)

Knock it off. This is complete bovine excrement.

Originally Posted by bluespoon (Post 4014721)

You guys are just clueless with nothing to say. No original thoughts, just part of the echo chamber. You care more about one furloughed pilot getting recalled than actual economics of the operation, the place actually offering the employment. But you really care a lot about your brethren though. Ironically, Spirit has recalled. I’m sure those guys would really thank you a lot for caring so much about them. Without your advocacy, they might have never been recalled.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4014964)

I could see that happening within an airline, during a routine furlough lasting many years. People might remember.

But nobody is going to care about something like that from a prior airline that was on the verge of liquidation, like nobody.

If an NK pilot handed me a list like that, I'd toss it the trash bag.

Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 4014983)

It’s obviously a moot point in this case but it’s still important to call out behavior that’s in poor taste and anti labor. Nobody’s mind is changed that’s posting here, but tons of people read without posting

Originally Posted by TheCalmCaptain (Post 4014960)

Rough week but our great schedulers are OCC has things under control for this weekend. It’s safe to say that Spirit pilots will be the highest paid pilots in the industry for March. Everyone has to have gotten their fair share of 200%. I know one FLL FO that is sitting with 178 hours credit! Good for him. And good for us that there are young guys with the stamina to go rescue flights at all hours of the night. Hiring is still starting in May. I know of 10+ instructors at my local S FL flight school that will be applying when the window opens.

Hang in there Guys and Gals. We are being acquired post bankruptcy. I’m not going to go into any details but you will be pleasantly surprised. Guaranteed!

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4014964)

I could see that happening within an airline, during a routine furlough lasting many years. People might remember.

But nobody is going to care about something like that from a prior airline that was on the verge of liquidation, like nobody.

If an NK pilot handed me a list like that, I'd toss it the trash bag.