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02-20-2015 | 09:42 AM
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02-20-2015 | 10:01 AM
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No, it was an improvement for fheir seniority block!!!!!!!!!!!
You must go back to 2010 and analyize the sen list from that time to judge their actions.
Seniority should rule. End of story. ANY OTHER SYSTEM PLAYS FAVORITES. Any other system can be gamed.
No, I'm not senior, just a prestrike pilot tired of the good ol boy Spirit Alpa club playing favorites.
You must go back to 2010 and analyize the sen list from that time to judge their actions.
Seniority should rule. End of story. ANY OTHER SYSTEM PLAYS FAVORITES. Any other system can be gamed.
No, I'm not senior, just a prestrike pilot tired of the good ol boy Spirit Alpa club playing favorites.
02-20-2015 | 10:33 AM
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No, it was an improvement for fheir seniority block!!!!!!!!!!!
You must go back to 2010 and analyize the sen list from that time to judge their actions.
Seniority should rule. End of story. ANY OTHER SYSTEM PLAYS FAVORITES. Any other system can be gamed.
No, I'm not senior, just a prestrike pilot tired of the good ol boy Spirit Alpa club playing favorites.
You must go back to 2010 and analyize the sen list from that time to judge their actions.
Seniority should rule. End of story. ANY OTHER SYSTEM PLAYS FAVORITES. Any other system can be gamed.
No, I'm not senior, just a prestrike pilot tired of the good ol boy Spirit Alpa club playing favorites.
02-20-2015 | 10:58 AM
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No, it was an improvement for fheir seniority block!!!!!!!!!!!
You must go back to 2010 and analyize the sen list from that time to judge their actions.
Seniority should rule. End of story. ANY OTHER SYSTEM PLAYS FAVORITES. Any other system can be gamed.
No, I'm not senior, just a prestrike pilot tired of the good ol boy Spirit Alpa club playing favorites.
You must go back to 2010 and analyize the sen list from that time to judge their actions.
Seniority should rule. End of story. ANY OTHER SYSTEM PLAYS FAVORITES. Any other system can be gamed.
No, I'm not senior, just a prestrike pilot tired of the good ol boy Spirit Alpa club playing favorites.
02-20-2015 | 11:00 AM
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BTW, here are some fun facts:
My pre-strike pay scale was higher than my post-strike pay scale.
Pilots that were here 6 months got a 7K bonus; while the 15 year guys got 3K. Yeah, the senior guys really ran away with it.
If you want change this time, better change the NC while you can, because 70% of this entire group (including you new tough guys) will vote yes to anything they put in front of you.
02-20-2015 | 11:26 AM
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Yep, the same tough guys that just voted themselves a concession are going to have a hissy-fit because people that have been here longer make more money. Didn't happen last time, what makes these guys so different? Oh yeah, this time we will be in the middle of the pilot shortage we have been waiting for for 20 years. Sorry junior guys, we are all in for a disappointment.
BTW, here are some fun facts:
My pre-strike pay scale was higher than my post-strike pay scale.
Pilots that were here 6 months got a 7K bonus; while the 15 year guys got 3K. Yeah, the senior guys really ran away with it.
If you want change this time, better change the NC while you can, because 70% of this entire group (including you new tough guys) will vote yes to anything they put in front of you.
BTW, here are some fun facts:
My pre-strike pay scale was higher than my post-strike pay scale.
Pilots that were here 6 months got a 7K bonus; while the 15 year guys got 3K. Yeah, the senior guys really ran away with it.
If you want change this time, better change the NC while you can, because 70% of this entire group (including you new tough guys) will vote yes to anything they put in front of you.
First, the idea that the pilot group voted in a concession is VERY subjective. I'm a no voter, but I understand the different points of view on the issue. There are some here that believe their quality of life improves with this LOA, and for some, maybe it does. This is not necessarily a black and white concession.
Second, perhaps I'm missing something, but unless you were on first year pay (which further proves my point that the junior guys got fukced), your pay went up. Yeah the junior guys got a higher bonus to help offset the anal fisting they took, but for the run of the contract they were sold out by guys that had 7+ yrs of seniority.
02-20-2015 | 11:29 AM
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I guess that is debatable. CBA says they can withhold 3% with MEC notification for OE lines (used to be the OE guys got first crack at the bid package, and the lines they choose get removed from the bid package before we even see it- don't know if that's how it's done now). The other 5% doesn't specify what it has to be used for, or when it has to be withheld. As was mentioned earlier, it is in the "bid package prep" section, so I think it could be argued that it has to be withheld before the package is published, not a trip at a time through out the month.
02-20-2015 | 11:41 AM
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A couple of counter-points.
First, the idea that the pilot group voted in a concession is VERY subjective. I'm a no voter, but I understand the different points of view on the issue. There are some here that believe their quality of life improves with this LOA, and for some, maybe it does. This is not necessarily a black and white concession.
Second, perhaps I'm missing something, but unless you were on first year pay (which further proves my point that the junior guys got fukced), your pay went up. Yeah the junior guys got a higher bonus to help offset the anal fisting they took, but for the run of the contract they were sold out by guys that had 7+ yrs of seniority.
First, the idea that the pilot group voted in a concession is VERY subjective. I'm a no voter, but I understand the different points of view on the issue. There are some here that believe their quality of life improves with this LOA, and for some, maybe it does. This is not necessarily a black and white concession.
Second, perhaps I'm missing something, but unless you were on first year pay (which further proves my point that the junior guys got fukced), your pay went up. Yeah the junior guys got a higher bonus to help offset the anal fisting they took, but for the run of the contract they were sold out by guys that had 7+ yrs of seniority.
Counter-counter point: Anyone here now that will be voting on the upcoming TA will have at least 5 years in before casting that vote. How much of that dreaded seniority at your legacy are you willing to give up while you're waiting?
02-20-2015 | 11:44 AM
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02-20-2015 | 12:30 PM
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