This place was a revolving door for 30 years. I hope they don't plan on doing that again. In the past they just lowered their expectations for the type of candidate they wanted if they were having staffing issues instead of paying real money. If you need proof just look at some of the jokers near the top of the seniority list. Many of them clearly couldn't get hired elsewhere. Hell I wouldn't hire some of them to drive a hotel van, not because that couldn't do it, but because some have zero sense of how to function as a human being in society.

Of course they would. How many would stay?

Complaining about spirits current pay rates is assenine. I'm more conserved wih our future contract than one that was negotiated 5 years ago. Some of us need to re-focus

Does the past predict the future?

Same union, same Negotiators. You figure it out.

Except this time around this pilot group is very junior. I wish them luck if they plan on pushing through a lopsided, top-heavy pay scale again. Sorry senior guys, but no B-scale this time around.

So true Andriod. They gave away seniority for DOT when the negotiators were junior. Now that they are relatively senior they try to put it back by claiming that standing available is determined by seniority. Only problem is that the contract makes no mention of seniority in the award of standing available. Gary Hill lied in his letter. He is misquoting the contract.

This isn't about seniority in DOT, it's about utilizing reserves more and limiting payroll costs.

As far as seniority goes I believe in t because there has to be a system, but it really is all about timing. Seniority can vary greatly within a very short period of time and can affect a pilots career immensely.

Let's say the difference between being 10% in your seat in your base and being 70% is a two year difference in date of hire. Let's say the list stagnates or even that particular base for the next 15-20 years. 10% pilots gets the better line based on his seniority, and improves his line in IOT based on his better seniority. DOT is the only chance 70% pilot has much of a shot at improving his QOL over the next 15-20years and it's still an equal shot for 10% pilot.

So you guys want a pure 100% seniority based system. Should we really be treating out fellow pilots this way just because of something as simple as not getting a call for an interview until 2 years after 10% pilot. Should 70% pilot be forced to suffer even more for 20 years just because of his pure luck in timing?

I agree qotsaautopilot. Seniority can be argued all day long. The problem is that our scheduling chair misreprsented the contract in his letter. Standing available is a situation that allows CS to offer you a trip without bidding to put out seniority bid.

Yes he did misquote the contract.

I was more commenting on "they gave away seniority in DOT". It's not really a give away if it's an improvement for the group.

Sorry to bust your bubble here judge. Senior NK pilots DID NOT reap a windfall in 2010. MID SENIOR NEGOTIATORS got the windfall. The 2010 negotiators, MEC Chair, CO Chair and half of the
MEC were MID senior. MM, PS, DP. AN, SC, CC - ALL MID SENIOR. The senior pilots lost when you consider that 150% OT went away. ONLY pilots in power at the time made any true gain.

Which scale do you think MM went to when he upgraded?