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Old 03-31-2015 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
You better not give up anything!

Spirit is currently undercutting the industry, with low wages and poor service! The industry has finally rationalized capacity through consolidation and is finally able to control pricing... But now Spirit is flooding the market with cheap seats hurting the pricing control that makes this job a great career!

The Spirit Negotiating Comitee should give the company an ALPA legacy CBA and say sign it!

Seat Surplus Gets U.S. Airline Shares Off to Slowest Start - Bloomberg Business
Tool of the day candidate. If I wanted to work at a legacy, I'd apply to one.
Old 03-31-2015 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
I agree on the not giving up anything part, but Spirit doesn't HAVE enough seats to flood a bath tub, so you can stuff the under-cutting rhetoric.
Just what the Bloomberg article says....

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Old 03-31-2015 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
Heck NO we don't want stinking PBS. And we want to keep our four days off. PBS is for Bob villa and shows about painting "happy little trees" not for airline pilots.
You do realize that if you have good rules PBS is a lot better than hard lines? You could negotiate 4 days off min into PBS. You could even make it wavable by the individual pilot's choice! Gives you a lot flexibility to control your own life!
Old 03-31-2015 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
Just what the Bloomberg article says....

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Welcome to Capitalism.

Our Labor costs may be lower than industry average (for now), however that is not the reason for our success.

Also, our service isn't ****ty by any stretch of the imagination. our F/As are great and the majority of our planes are less than a few years old.

Anyway, carry on......

I do agree with you that work rules are what makes PBS crappy, not PBS itself.
Old 03-31-2015 | 01:22 PM
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So competition is bad?
Old 03-31-2015 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
Just what the Bloomberg article says....

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Airlines say rising competition from low-cost carriers has crimped pricing power in a few markets, including Dallas, Seattle and Chicago, and contributed to some of the decline in the revenue gauge, also known as unit revenue.
Yeah, from the big carriers who overcharge. Id love to get paid more, and I think we really will. But, you cant deny the effectiveness of this business model. Its got the legacies a little worried, domestically, not internationally.
Old 03-31-2015 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
You do realize that if you have good rules PBS is a lot better than hard lines? You could negotiate 4 days off min into PBS. You could even make it wavable by the individual pilot's choice! Gives you a lot flexibility to control your own life!
Had PBS at my last place, no thanks, I'm liking line bidding.
Old 03-31-2015 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
Yeah, from the big carriers who overcharge. Id love to get paid more, and I think we really will. But, you cant deny the effectiveness of this business model. Its got the legacies a little worried, domestically, not internationally.
The legacies may be in for the fight of their lives. They are making tons of money now, but need to watch the advance of domestic ULCC and ME3 on either end of their revenue catchment. I contribute to and work in support of ALPA PAC, but sadly hoping for renegotiation of the Open Skies deal with the UAE to protect legacy long haul flying is unlikely to succeed. Look at how well we stopped the Abu Dhabi US Customs facility.
Old 03-31-2015 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Every single legacy carrier is now PBS. Curious, are you ok with that? PBS will see all conflicts in advance. Carry over trips, vacation, training, etc.
Correct. But if you have proper work rules and credit assigned to them it doesn't matter. However, if you want lines for the 3 maybe 4 months you have conflicts to get more days off so be it! I personally think more ppeople would benefit from control and more days off on the days the pilot wants off for the full*calendar year.*
Old 03-31-2015 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
You do realize that if you have good rules PBS is a lot better than hard lines? You could negotiate 4 days off min into PBS. You could even make it wavable by the individual pilot's choice! Gives you a lot flexibility to control your own life!
So who has this PBS with 4 days off?
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